View Full Version : Very sad but very very avoidable
Sky Garden
14-12-10, 11:27
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Another example of someone leaving their common sense in the arrivals hall.
So sad, but yes, absolutely avoidable.
A. If you are going to drink, have at it, but WALK or get a TAXI... ugh
B. Wear a F--KING HELMET. How stupid can people be. And yes, I will call anyone on this forum who does not wear a helmet stupid too. So many lame excuses not to.
I only drive a mile to work
I have been driving for years...
It messes up my hair
It gives me a headache
It doesn't really protect you
etc.
I had a friend get in a severe bike accident, he was not wearing a helmet, but his girlfriend was. Guess who lived?? She was thrown about ten feet from the bike and he simply fell over with the bike... She lived and he died from multiple head injuries... Sad story...
Sad story it is.
My aunt got motorcycle accident last month, she was wearing helmet but probably not in quite safe speed in that morning and with a busy unfocused mind, she cant avoid that school student who suddenly showed up in a junction with a bike, she hit her, then her head hit the concrete. The helmet was broken instantly. Both are hospitalized, but the student left the hospital after a week, and my aunt still there till now. Her consciousness sometimes comes and go, sometimes she can identify people, but sometimes she completely forgets.
So there, even if you are protected by helmet, driving without a clear mind and followed by high speed is a big no no. I keep telling my self that too.
Sad story it is.
My aunt got motorcycle accident last month, she was wearing helmet but probably not in quite safe speed in that morning and with a busy unfocused mind, she cant avoid that school student who suddenly showed up in a junction with a bike, she hit her, then her head hit the concrete. The helmet was broken instantly. Both are hospitalized, but the student left the hospital after a week, and my aunt still there till now. Her consciousness sometimes comes and go, sometimes she can identify people, but sometimes she completely forgets.
So there, even if you are protected by helmet, driving without a clear mind and followed by high speed is a big no no. I keep telling my self that too.
Amen, a helmet can only protect so much, but it gave her a fighting chance at least. If she weren't wearing one, we all know what would have happened. Hopefully she fully recovers.
Helmets should be checked for cracks or scrape marks, as this will weaken the helmet and reduce its strength in a case of accident. When I was racing bikes in Oz, the helmet had to pass exam before you could use it for the race. Any markings on it, I did come of once and marked it, replacement is in order.
If the helmet is older than 5 years, replace it anyhow.
Hope this helps
Most Helmets sold in Indonesia do not meet international safety standard anyway.
Wonder would the guy be charged for drunk driving and more? Any follow up?
Puspawarna
14-12-10, 12:38
I don't know about this specific accident, of course, but in many crash events in Indonesia, there is an interplay between driver behavior and unsafe roads. There is a great deal that can be done by road safety engineers to minimize the likelihood of a crash occurring, and to minimize the likelihood of serious injury if a crash does occur. Unfortunately, Indonesia has almost no engineers qualified to plan and maintain safe roadways. Money is an issue too, but not as much as you might think - many of the solutions are relatively low cost.
(Can you tell I just helped to edit a book on Indonesian road safety?)
Helmets should be checked for cracks or scrape marks, as this will weaken the helmet and reduce its strength in a case of accident. When I was racing bikes in Oz, the helmet had to pass exam before you could use it for the race. Any markings on it, I did come of once and marked it, replacement is in order.
If the helmet is older than 5 years, replace it anyhow.
Hope this helps
My sister in law visited yesterday and I immediately noticed a long and wide crack on the rear of her helmet, when I pointed it out out her the response was tidak apa2 ... ...and she is actually quite a responsible young lady ... I gave up long ago trying to educate my Indonesian family members, tidak apa2!
Like here in Tasik, the few stop lights we have only half of them are actually in working order. The rest of the intersections are governed by driver "courtesy," which we all know what that means here "Saya terlebih dahulu." So then you have 10 scooters crossing paths and 4 angkots honking and pushing their way through as one douchebag on a scooter just flies through it all at 40 KMph
Sky Garden
14-12-10, 13:40
Wonder would the guy be charged for drunk driving and more? Any follow up?
From what I can gather it was the guy who was driving that was killed, the guy who survived was a passenger. Nothing he can be charged with however I am guessing he will have to live with this for the rest of his life.
Unfortunately I see this all the time, young kids here on holiday driving around drunk on scooters, no helmets and most cases no t-shirts, these guys would never do something like that at home so why think its going to be different here, I think the roads here would hurt just as much as the roads in Australia when you fall off.
Just one other story, a friend of mine who drove a Harley and had always drove with leathers and a top of the range helmet. He was going on a quick errand and borrowed the maids bebek, jumped on with no helmet, 200 down the road a dog ran out in front of him. He is now back in his own country and doctors are telling him he will never walk again, this isn't meant to depress or scare, just be aware that no matter how short the drive........... be careful out there
Carrot Cake
14-12-10, 17:29
I think no matter how safe the road is, driving/riding under influence of alcohol and or drugs is never a wise action.
I stopped at a stop light one night when a motorcycle hit my car's back bumper hard. He was thrown far from the motorbike and badly injured. Later police found out that he was riding under influence of alcohol AND drugs. But that after I spent most of that night in hospital and police station for filing police report.
From that on i prevent myself from driving unless it's emergency. You can drive as careful as you can, but you can't control other vehicles. Very frustrating.
So sad, but yes, absolutely avoidable.
A. If you are going to drink, have at it, but WALK or get a TAXI... ugh
"Police forensic scientists are still determining what role, if any, alcohol consumption may have played in the fatal crash."
I think it's wrong to speculate on the young lad, since it's not clear if alcohol played a part. May he rest in peace.
Cryptkeeper
14-12-10, 18:09
From what I can gather it was the guy who was driving that was killed, the guy who survived was a passenger. Nothing he can be charged with however I am guessing he will have to live with this for the rest of his life.
Unfortunately I see this all the time, young kids here on holiday driving around drunk on scooters, no helmets and most cases no t-shirts, these guys would never do something like that at home so why think its going to be different here, I think the roads here would hurt just as much as the roads in Australia when you fall off.
Just one other story, a friend of mine who drove a Harley and had always drove with leathers and a top of the range helmet. He was going on a quick errand and borrowed the maids bebek, jumped on with no helmet, 200 down the road a dog ran out in front of him. He is now back in his own country and doctors are telling him he will never walk again, this isn't meant to depress or scare, just be aware that no matter how short the drive........... be careful out there
I found this story even sadder.. well, at least the other guy won't feel pain anymore..
The government has socializing that helmets is important, but AFAIK, so far they said nothing about drunk and drive. Common sense, I know, but some people are just need to be told.
I was in Wonosobo a couple of years back. There was a minor accident in a town there that resulted in the motorcyclist getting a few cuts, bumps and bruises. Well the accident was only a very low speed thing, maybe 15 kph. Pity he wasn't wearing a helmet really. It would have saved his skull getting smashed in when his head hit the road.
As for the guy in Bali. Sad but its not a shock.
Every week I have been in Indonesia I have seen live accidents(Not living here just vacationing) and they were always with motors. can't remember when I saw a live one happening in Holland.
Guess most of the people here don't have a choice to drive a car so their only option is a motor. An older man i knew also was killed in a motor incident. After recovering in Holland from a leg insury he wanted to go back to indonesia very much but not soon after got into the fatal accident.
If i ever would live here in Indonesia I want to have a save big car which can handle a bit of a dent in the road and high ernough from the ground from the banjir. Not even sure i would want to drive my own car though.
.... I find all the sympathetic mumblings pure hokum ......... the drunken eejit might have killed your wife or kids .......... if a drunken driver manages to kill himself ..... one less loony on these roads.....
ScooterIndo
16-12-10, 13:41
Living in Bali i constantly see hoardes of australlian tourists riding round on hired twist and go scooters without shirts, shoes or a helmet. Its almost as if this is the accepted norm here in Bali as they see a few locals riding without helmets. The police cant be everywhere at once to stop it, but the underlying mentallity is that it dont matter as the (weak) law here doesnt apply to them as they are only here on holiday "and the police cant do anything".
Sky Garden
16-12-10, 14:48
Living in Bali i constantly see hoardes of australlian tourists riding round on hired twist and go scooters without shirts, shoes or a helmet. Its almost as if this is the accepted norm here in Bali as they see a few locals riding without helmets. The police cant be everywhere at once to stop it, but the underlying mentallity is that it dont matter as the (weak) law here doesnt apply to them as they are only here on holiday "and the police cant do anything".
True, this morning I saw a tourist no helmet or shirt remonstrating with a policeman who obviously had the audacity to stop him. This was less than 1 km from where the kid got killed. On that subject according to latest newspaper reports the official cause of his death was drowning and he was found 600m from the crash site. The bike is still missing. Conspiracy theories starting already.
That remind me of an incident that happened in Vietnam many years back.
Went to visit a fellow country guy working there and was told they would be having a gathering that evening At Omni Saigon Hotel. I went back and asked my then Vietnam GF to send me there on a bike. Got real drunk and my GF send me back. When I went to my friend's office to look for him the next days. Was told he had a motor cycle accident and was flow out of the country that morning for medical treatment.
Later was told when he went back that night. Some Viet tie a Rope between 2 trees on the road and when his bike pass. They tighten the rope which hit him on his neck. He had a very bad fall and the guys took all his belonging and got away.
Never heard from this guy ever since......
Thus we would never know what really happened.....
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