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Dear all
Does anybody have an idea where to get those kind of bikes in jakarta?
I mean original imported one's.. Like Aprilia sxv550, yamaha wr450, ktm's etc..
I am searching the net since days, haven't really found anything promising..
Your feedbacks are highly appreciated..
Have a nice day and thanks in advance
last year i saw a collection of great ktm,s availiable in the KTM showroom in Jakarta , ive forgotten the address , but givi , and harley davidson are located within the same building ......, if that makes it any easier
And remember.. You will be paying highly inflated prices if you intend to make it street legal.
Thanks guys... Found the KTM dealer. in Fatmawati near ITC..
Looks like it is gonna be the 690 SMC.. Street legal without any modifications..
Good to hear , have fun on the bike ... if possible , could you please let us know how much rupiah your on- road registration cost end up being ...
when i say street legal, i mean the registration costs. Better check that up before buying. Its probably going to double the price of your bike.
Guys...
Pricing is nuts here.... Above 250ccm you pay twice the original price, if not more.. (up to 120%taxes)!!!
After researching here and there, Kawasaki bikes are the best for price and value.. I am afraid to say, that it will be the Kawasaki 250 D tracker (Kawasaki KLX with street tires).. Costs= 58 J Not really what I was looking for, but well..
I was even looking at the Kawasaki ninja 250 ccm.. Not a dirtbike at all, but you can get it for around 46 J
Had a testride on it, and it is not too bad, knowig it is "just" a 250ccm.
thanks again to all of you...
Guys...
Pricing is nuts here.... Above 250ccm you pay twice the original price, if not more.. (up to 120%taxes)
woahhhh thats nuts alright ! ,
so what you are saying is ...... If that ktm supermoto you were looking at was originaly going to cost you $10,000 off the showroom floor without on road costs(hypothetically speaking , as I dont know your original quoted price you got from KTM in jakarta ? ) .
- is now going to cost you $10,000 ( hypethetically speaking ) plus another $12,000 in taxes (quoted @ 120%) , just to have it registered ......
- meaning the bike + onroad cost totals (hypethetically speaking) a whopping $22,000 .
I have heard similar to this before when importing a bike , but is this true for that KTM650 that " IS ALREADY" in the country that tax still applies ?
... please please please tell me ive got this all wrong , as my hopes of kawasaki one day importing the bargain priced KLR650 have just been crushed .
woahhhh thats nuts alright ! ,
so what you are saying is ...... If that ktm supermoto you were looking at was originaly going to cost you $10,000 off the showroom floor without on road costs(hypothetically speaking , as I dont know your original quoted price you got from KTM in jakarta ? ) .
- is now going to cost you $10,000 ( hypethetically speaking ) plus another $12,000 in taxes (quoted @ 120%) , just to have it registered ......
- meaning the bike + onroad cost totals (hypethetically speaking) a whopping $22,000 .
I have heard similar to this before when importing a bike , but is this true for that KTM650 that " IS ALREADY" in the country that tax still applies ?
... please please please tell me ive got this all wrong , as my hopes of kawasaki one day importing the bargain priced KLR650 have just been crushed .
No, the tax does not apply. but the fellow who bought it for $22,000 new is not going to sell it to you for $3000 is he now ?
think about it.
dream over, sorry.
Ya unless he is me and bought a chinese made piece of crap for rp27,000,000 and hates it so bad he is now willing to sell it for rp16,000,000 but still no one wants to buy it. It is tecnically a supermoto. Its a megelli 250M if you want it we can make an arrangement but i gotto let you know that it needs quite a few modifications to make it decent. I wont rip anyone off from the expat forum which is why im saying this openly. If you spend around rp10jt it will probably have the performance and feel of a stock kawasaki D-tracker but without the build quality.
there wa someone selling a KTM second hand about a year ago,
http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.org/showthread.php/2529-KTM-525-EXC-Supermoto-looking-for-a-new-owner
He was asking 120 Juta, not so bad, and in teh same thread there is confirmation that new they are about 220 juta
So you may be able to find something suitable if you search, there are quite a few KTM around, and the dealer at CBD is much bigger than the one at Fatmawati
No, the tax does not apply. but the fellow who bought it for $22,000 new is not going to sell it to you for $3000 is he now ?
think about it.
dream over, sorry.
he didnt buy the bike (KTM 690 SMC from jakarta) - The figure of $22000 was only used as a hypethetical example of what the cost of the bike "would have " been , if mister had followed through and purchased the bike , and then included his taxes of up to 120% ( which mister said he researched - read his earlier posts , he was actually going to buy that bike before he "researched" the costs of the added taxes and then decided against it )
You are saying that Misters research is wrong ? , so what is the answer then to the on road costs of his proposed purchase of the above mentioned KTM690 Supermoto ? You say " no taxes apply" , are hinting to us that you have the answers , we'd like to know.
KW , I am also confused to your comment about the '$3000" ? it has no relation nor any logical relevance to the questions raised on taxes for bikes over 250cc , What does selling the bike (which mister is now not going to purchase) to me for $3000 have to do with anything ? ... and I have thought about it.
Fyo KW - I think the subject of motorcycles has you confused . A KTM690 SMC is not A kawasaki KLR650 . The Kawasaki KLR650 is an Adventure trail bike that is made in the same Thai factory as the Kawasaki KLX250 ,including the D-Tracker 250supermoto version. Both are commonly sold throughout indonesia . Kawasaki have been trying to import the KLR650 bike into Indo but hasnt been able to due to the red tape hassles involved . The KLR650 retails for only USD$2800 more than a KLX250 . making this bike a very good bang for your buck :)
I'm pretty sure KW is right. The tax doesn't apply for second hand motorcycles that's already in Indonesia (see the post that was asking that issue). KW is mostly right that it would be VERY rare for someone who've already paid the 120% tax to let go of the bike without recouping some of that back.
For example if the bike without the tax is $10,000, purchase price with tax is $22,000. If that person is then to sell the bike immediately, he/she is NOT going to sell it for $10,000 (in KW's exaggerated example, $3000). He/she will probably try to sell it for close to what they paid, $22,000.
NEW bikes, no matter what brand, get at least a 120% tax increase, if it comes from abroad.. 8 different bike dealers told me that..
Not sure how Kawasaki managed to get a "special" deal with their "up to" 250 ccm bikes in Indonesia.. No dealer could explain me why... And I dont even wanna know ;-)
A Yamaha 150ccm (forgot the type) 110 J, a Yamaha WR250 170 J, KTM 690 240 J, Honda CRF 450 210 J. etc....
Found a guy on the internet advertising a Yamaha WR 450 for 90 J. but "bodong", meaning "no surat", no registration.. Whith registration, guess the price.. 200 J.
He also had a KTM 690, 220 J. 10 J cheaper than the dealers..
As mentioned before, those are NEW bikes.. Second hand, all goes I guess..
Also can you get, mentioned before, chinese models, fabricated here for about 30 J.. Squeeze the clutch, sit on it, touch it, start it. And you will not buy it..
Many nice things in Indonesia, but getting a new "big" bike.. susah banget :-)
I am still searching for more options, but as far as I now, that is what I found out..
Or I can build you a nice fast electric bike! Seriously.
thx rabbit and mister for the effort to clarrify things , so yes ..., it is as I thought ( with my original hypethetical example ) on the post above , as we were talking about tax on a new bike (ie; the ktm 690smc that mister originally had his heart set on ) I already knew about the taxes and owners of 2nd hand bikes wanting to recoup costs as ive sought out some bikes already and bauked at the asking cost untill I found out why , but so far these had all been bikes that people had bought into the country themselves ... they called the tax a bond and said that they had hoped it would be returned as promised if they ever took the bike back out of the country ( but thier real thoughts on getting the refund back was fat chance due to the way things operate here)
Well mister , at least the klx is reliable , built tough and has good shocks... and you could always get stiffer aftermarket springs in the front forks and adjust up the rear shock if you are going to load it up on a regular basis if needed , theres good aftermarket stuff available , although im not too sure on the 350cc bore kit unless you can find a way to remap the electronic fuel injection ? , you can customise the seat yourself , or wait untill sagent seats makes the aftermarket seat they are working on ... its not the 690 , but its still not a white elephant either .
Yes rabbit you are 100% spot on - electric is the way of the future , were almost there ... just need some more tweeking on batteries . I cant wait to see what the future unfolds . The torque they provide and simplicity of electrics is amazing .
Happy trails .
The battery technologies are already here, just the cost needs to be brought down. But I can make you a nice one for IDR250juta :-D
The battery technologies are already here, just the cost needs to be brought down. But I can make you a nice one for IDR250juta :-D
you are correct again , the lithiums are a major improvement over the nickel metal halides , and yes they are still overpriced , my guess is by the time they are cheap a newer battery will likely be available , or technology will allowy a greater range of travel to allow them to match the km range of petrol bikes , meaning you can always carry extra fuel on a trip , but quick east access to electricity isnt always so easy in the sticks , you sound right up there on the techno info but I am thinking with the electrics , the battery range at the mo is good for 100 -150 km , depending on how hard you ride , would this be right ? ... One day in the near future I know that we wont even consider buying a petrol bike.
I wonder what will happen to that iconic legendary harley sound when they go electric? Or that manly thump thump sound of a 500+cc thumper passing by can be no more... Hhmm, i dont think that traditional fuel will be phased out totally, there is too much business to be lossed.
Well, the range is VERY difficult to gauge. It's irrelevant when the manufacturer's state the range without the details of the conditions (start/stop? continuous flat terrain? hills? varying instantaneous speed? constant speed? wind? etc).
However, if I was to build a motorcycle for Jakarta market, here's what I would do (a long way to answer your question about range):
- top speed of 60km/hr
- efficient motor at low speeds
- efficient at start/stop
- large enough battery capacity to go 150km on average Jakarta traffic and still have 40% capacity
- enough torque to carry one passenger at 80kg plus an extra 120 kg and still reach 40km/hr
I think the above can be achieved with less than USD15,000 and using good components.
To build the bike I think you want, it would be closer to USD25-30,000. By that I mean 200km+ range to empty, quick off the line, high top speed (200+km/hr).
If I had a shop with some tools, I can build an electric bike that would work around Bogor for less than USD10,000
I wonder what will happen to that iconic legendary harley sound when they go electric? .
electric bikes are almost silent , imagine Indo without the sound of petrol motorcycles ...., the silence would be deafening. - I cant wait
Ok then..
It became the D-tracker.. I am still in the braking in phase, so I can't really squeeze it.. EEEExcept once ;-) and it felt not bad at all ;-) It is the black /orange version.
Customized the seat, 400.000 IDR. at "Mr. Seat", JL. Antasari..
Went there, checked the material. Brought the bike the next day at 8 in the morning. Got a call at 10:30, "udah selesai Misterrrr"... Picked it up later on and woooooow, soft and comfy ;-) I can highly recommend this place for any kind of seats.. you choose the design and they do exactly what you want...
Painted the front fender black, put a "bodygard bar", removed the ugly tool bag mounted on the back, most probably mounting on the Akrapovich slip on exhaust this weekend and planning to modify the taillight soon..
Bore mods, maybe later ;-)
The hardest thing is to going through breaking in, hehehe... I usualy do my kilometers after 11 in the night ;-)
See ya petrolheads on the road ;-)
Feels handy and is (I guess due to the color) a headturner, hehehe...
Did you check out the foam used on the seat , in bali all they seem to do is pack the seat with a too soft type of foam , and any really good seat variasi i seen here , Ive asked the owners who was your tukang jok and they always say it was done in jakarta . Do you have a contact number and address for mr seat ..., I also presume that it was a re-pac of the original seat using the original shell ?
Ive looked at those corbin seats on the net , very very nice but really expensive , any chance of a photo of your seat .
Ps im attempting to get a photo of a mates bike (hes in singapore at the mo) to show the neat tail light he got off ebay and sent from the uk .
Also if your painted front fender starts to look shabby , just buy a new one in the color you want as they are thankfully very cheap.
Check out the net also as there are some very cool graphics available , but for stickers -they aint cheap
Davobali, just sent you an email to your hotmail ;-)
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