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atlantis
18-10-08, 20:31
THIS POST HAS BEEN UPDATED IN APRIL 2009 AND JUNE 2010

Since the publication of the new citizenship law a foreigner can be sponsored for residency by his indonesian wife. However the various regulations related to it seem not very well known by the Imigrasi around the country. It’s only in February 2007 that the ministerial decision no M.01-IZ.01.10 formally included foreign husbands joining their indonesian wives as being eligible for a KITAS.

Though one could pick up a VITAS (sponsor istri) from a KBRI abroad, having previously obtained the agreement of the DitJen Imigrasi in JKT, I believe that the procedure described below is somewhat easier. It allows you plenty of time (you first enter on a SosBud, which can be extended up to 6 months) to convert it to an ITAS. Having almost 6 months to do so, it leaves almost no chance to the Imigrasi to try to extort bribes from you... It also offers the advantage of not having to exit Indonesia to get it.

Here is the way to do it:

1. The foreign husband get a Visa Kunjungan SosBud abroad, and get an Izin Kunjungan delivered for a first leg of 60 days at the port of entrance.
2. The foreigner goes to his local KanIm (no mandatory waiting period of 4 months), along with his indonesian wife to apply for the conversion of his izin kunjungan in an ITAS. (Pasal 47 & Pasal 48* PP nomor 32 thn 1994)
3. The sponsor "buys" the needed forms (IDR 10K to IDR 25K) and fills a written demand. A "Riwayat Hidup" of the foreigner, a bank statement showing that the couple has enough funds to live 1 full year in Indonesia should be joined.
4. On top of the above, the sponsor should submit:
- Akte Perwakinan asli (kristen, Hindhu, Buddhist) or Buku Nikah asli (islam) or Surat Tanda Bukti Lapor Perkawinan asli (overseas wed)
- Wife's KTP.
- Husband's Passport.
5. Usually, 2 extra sets of photocopies are requested for each documents.
6. Imigrasi will then issue a document to be brought to the Kantor Wilayah. It is a letter which says that after reviewing all the documents, he has no opposition for the conversion of the immigration status. Allow a couple of days to get the letter signed by the KaKanIm.
7. After reviewing all your documents the Kepala Bidang Keimigrasian of the Kantor Wilayah will issue a letter stating his positive opinion about the change of status of the foreign husband. This letter, along with a set of all the documents, should be brought or sent to Bpk Direktur Izin Tinggal dan Status kemigrasian in the DitJen Imigrasi situated in Jln Rasuna Said Kav 8-9 in Jakarta. Allow 1 day for the KanWil to sort out the document. There is no fee for the letter, but anything like IDR 10K to IDR 50K should help the lady to type faster.
If you live far from Jakarta, you can send by any services such as Tiki the letter from the KanWil to the DitJen. It works well, and I never had any trouble doing so before.
8. Upon reception of the letter of the KanWil, after reviewing all the documents the Kasubdit Alih Status Keimigrasian (Bapak Soepriatna Anwar, SH, MH), on behalf of the Direktur Izin Tinggal dan Status kemigrasian (Bpk Agastya Hari Marsono, Bc.Im.) should issue a Keputusan Direktur jenderal Imigrasi nomor: (the number/reference of the Keputusan) tentang Alih status Izin Kunjungan menjadi Izin tinggal terbatas atas nama: (Name of the foreigner) stating that a new status can be granted to the foreigner.
Allow a week to 10 days for this keputusan to be ready from the time you delivered all the documents to the DitJen. Monitor it on the phone at (021) 5224658 ext 2521. Don't hesitate to phone 15 times a day, you need luck to have someone answering...
9. You, or any relative (holding a "Surat Kuasa Khusus" from you), should pick the Keputusan DitJen directly from the Sub-Direktorat Alih Status Keimigrasian. Chances are that you meet with Pak "R.S", a "friend of mine"... Last time we met, he was happy to kick me out of his office... But he is not a bad chap.
10. In fact, the DitJen will issue 3 copies, 1 for you, 1 for the KanIm, 1 for the KanWil). You need to bring it back victoriously to the KanWil which will give you a letter autorising the KanIm to start to process a KITAS.
11. At that point, the foreign husband will have to submit a few pics and get fingerprinted
12. Then comes the time to pay the fee for the KITAS: IDR 700K for a 1 year KITAS and IDR 55.000 for the biometrik pics and fingerprint
13. If your KanIm is "online" with the DitJen, a small problem may occur. After delivering the Keputusan DirJen, Jakarta often "forget" to finalise the procedure and to enter the "OK" in the system... which means that your KanIm can not process your payment!!! First time in your life that Imigrasi will refuse your money... enjoy the moment, it generally doesn't happen often! It happened to me recently. If it happens, no worries, just telephone to the number given at point 8 (or fax : 021- 52962095... this one is the fax of the SubDit Alih status)
14. The Kantor Imigrasi will then stamp an ITAS in the foreign passport and a KITAS (Kartu Izin Tinggal terbatas) will be issued.
15. 2/3 days after or so, a POA Book will be remitted (no fees for it).
16. At that point, it is advisable to ask for an "Izin Masuk Kembali" to be stamped in the husband passport. Without it, the KITAS holder "looses" his KITAS if he goes out of Indonesia. Better then to have it if you don't want to do it all over again.
See in the archives of this channel for the official fees attached to the Izin masuk Kembali.
17. You still need to process a SKLD (Surat Keterengan Lapor Diri) which is a trendy little plastic card with the husband's pic. There is now, as per June 2010, a legal fee for it: IDR 100.000. You have to go to your main Police Resort to get it sorted. You will also have to get a STM (Surat Tanda Melapor - no fee) stating your address. The person who gives shelter to the foreigner should be the one reporting and signing it.
18. The foreigner has to go to his Kantor Lurah to get a Surat keterengan domisili stating his formal address in Indonesia and he should bring this letter to his Catatan Sipil to get a SKTT (Surat Keterangan Tempat Tinggal), a SKPPS (surat keterengan pendaftaran penduduk sementara) and a SKDLN (Surat Keterengan Datang dari Luar Negeri). A foreigner staying on a KITAS MUST register at the Capil for the above documents. It will help smothen a KITAP procedure later. In fact, chances are that the CaPil compil the three documents and issue a nice greenish card attesting your residency and registration as a temporary resident for the length of the KITAS. Fees for it are defined by Peraturan Daerah and varies depending on each kota/kabupaten. It shouldn't cost more than IDR 150K.
Be careful you have 14 days to do so after the date of issuance of the KITAS (Pasal 20, undang undang 23 tahun 2006 tentang Administrasi Kependudukan) to register. Failure to do so in time would expose you to a fine of a maximum of IDR 2.000K (Pasal 89, undang undang 23 tahun 2006 tentang Administrasi Kependudukan).
19. Your next move will be to go to the Departemen Pajak to get a NPWP, the husband's personal tax number...

* amended article in 2005. It reduces to nil the "waiting period" of 4 months previously mandatory before initiating the procedure.

To be continued at post #3

Al.Gray
22-10-08, 01:54
As always Atlantis, thanks from us for your continued help for all of us with the same or similar problem regarding Visas an imigrasi. I trust you were in receipt of the email we sent you last week?
It's a funny old game living here. We just wish our dear friends in imigrasi were as easy to deal with as, say, the police.
Take yesterday,for instance. We'd forgotten to register my residency here with the police, so we went along to the same Poltabes as last time when we were renting another house, saw the same nice Police lady we saw then, told her we'd been staying in Jakarta for a couple of months, paid the Rp50k, and it was cut n shut, in the bag. NO problem!
From there, we drove over to kantor imigrasi, purchased all the formula we needed for extensions 1&2, along with those for my conversion to KITAS, beginning that process in just under two months time.
All that paperwork for Rp21k, but not including the materai. So far, so good.

However,today was another day,and in contrast to yesterday, was not so smooth.

But on a sidenote, a couple of questions related to the forms, if I may?
Firstly, the 'Surat Permohonan Dan Jaminan' asks, 'Penghasilan setahun'? How much is a housewife expected to earn? Afterall, it's me here as head of the family, providing care and food for her.As she's my sponsor, but I'm the provider, in theory that makes me her employer? - you see where I'm going? What kind of answer would imigrasi be happy with? I just told her to answer 'Cukup', but maybe imigrasi might try to make a song and dance out of that.

Secondly, and athough I'm crystal clear as to why I'm here, as head of the family, etc., she is confused as to what exactly to fill in (using bahasa), whether she needs to quote the articles from Marriage Law, or apa? Bless her, however good she might be terrific at cultivating a puring bush from a twig or growing a nice salad crop of radish, translation from or to English isn't really her forté. If you have a copy of the Marriage Law handy, and have time, would you please email me that? You never know, Imigrasi might choose (conveniently) to scoff at the reason she states, and laugh us out of the kantor - better have something to show them, eh?

Normally, and up until now, for the past 18months, we haven't actually had the need to fill out any extension forms, as our pejabat 'friend' has 'helped' us every month (with a tip, of course). But since all that polava with his bullsh*t, stealing our Rp6Jt and all the rest of it, not to mention what we've learned from your invaluable help (thanks), it's well past time we disposed of his 'service' - I'm sure you'd agree.

To conclude, when we visited kantor imigrasi again today, at 1pm, all the service windows of the section had the 'tutup' sign up on them. When we inquired to a young pejawai if we could extend my sosbud, he looked blank, and said they don't do that (since WHEN???). Maybe stupidity is a requisit for working there or is that a skill that has to be learned through work experience there? Other more experienced corruptors there didn't half give us some dirty looks. Maybe our 'friend' has made us famous there?
If you remember from one of my previous posts, we thought our 'friend' wasn't working there anymore. We were right, as he's now working in the Kantor KanwIl!
I see more fun n games (and headaches) on a rocky road ahead of us. What do you think?

When it rains........it fahkin pours!
*sigh*

Thanks before.
AEG

atlantis
22-10-08, 07:21
Note the following:

- A KITAS as described above, sponsored by an Indonesian wife, doesn't allow any kind of work.
- You will have to renew the KITAS (without the SosBud Part) at least 1 month before its terminaison. Annual renewal also apply for SKLD, SKTT, STM and SKPPS.
- Any change in your residency or civil status must be reported to the Kantor Imigrasi, the Police and the Catatan Sipil during the validity of your KITAS.
- Only legally married (ie. recognised by Indonesian law) wife/husband are authorised to follow the above described procedure.
- If one day the KITAS holder decides to terminate voluntarily his KITAS and to exit Indonesia (eg. relocation in a foreign country), he needs to first apply for an Exit Permit Only at the Kantor Imigrasi of his residence and report to the Catatan Sipil. He also needs to give back his SKLD to the relevant section of the POLDA/MABES POLRI. Failure to do so would put him in trouble if one day he decides to come back to Indonesia.
- Providing that all the requested documents are submitted by the sponsor in the correct timing, providing that you don't use the "services" of a friend/calo and that you submit yourself all the documents in the relevant administration (KanIm, KanWil, DitJen) you should not have troubles.
- Please, don't let corrupted Pejabat abuse you. Don't pay anything more than the legal fees. You will regret it bitterly and enter in a spirale that you can in no way control. If you start to pay bribes, you void your right to complain if the things turn wrong. Don't forget that.
- If you need a copy of any of the laws mentionned in this post, feel free to ask me. For any questions, I way prefer answering to posts rather than PM. Posts provide infos to the whole community, PMs don't.
- The total procedure should last around 1 to 2 months roughly. Note that you have 30 days "only" to get the KITAS issued after the issuance of the Keputusan DirJen.
- Don't forget to extend your izin kunjungan, if needed, during the procedure!
- Last but not least, if you decide to reproduce part of or totally the above post in another forum/website, thanks to add a link to this forum.

atlantis
22-10-08, 09:31
Hi Al.Gray,
I will answer to your post by splitting my answer in two or more posts. Today is my son's birthday (5 y.o) and I am gonna be busy for the next two days or so.;)


I trust you were in receipt of the email we sent you last week?
It's a funny old game living here. We just wish our dear friends in imigrasi were as easy to deal with as, say, the police.

Read this thread (http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.org/showthread.php?t=1163)and tell me if you still think the same... :D


we went along to the same Poltabes as last time when we were renting another house, paid the Rp50k, and it was cut n shut, in the bag. NO problem!
Apart from the fact that a STM (which is what you needed, isn't it) has no fee normally.;)



From there, we drove over to kantor imigrasi, purchased all the formula we needed for extensions 1&2, along with those for my conversion to KITAS, beginning that process in just under two months time. All that paperwork for Rp21k, but not including the materai. So far, so good.
This is indeed real good. KanIm Manado "officially" charge rp 25.000 per form... meaning that you would have spend already rp 75.000 if you would have been living in Manado.


Firstly, the 'Surat Permohonan Dan Jaminan' asks, 'Penghasilan setahun'? How much is a housewife expected to earn? After all, it's me here as head of the family, providing care and food for her.
If you want to fill it, just fill here what she really has as a declared income, from her work and not the money you may provide as the head of thefamily. She is sponsoring you and the question concern her only. However take a look at this link:
http://www.imigrasi.go.id/popUp.inc.php?go=faq&subgo=detail&faqId=3

I love this link because it comes from the Ditjen Imigrasi website and if you look under "Syarat Syarat VKSB", Point 5, you will find the following quite interesing:

SYARAT-SYARAT VKSB


5. Foto Copy Rekening Bank Sponsor minimal Rp 2,5 Juta
My advice is then to leave in blank the "penghasilan setahun" and to provide a copy, along with the original, of a recent bank statement showing a balance:
- above 2,5 jt for a Permohonan perpanjangan VKSB (extension of a SosBud). It is what they estimate a sponsor should have on her rekning and they acknowledge it in their own website.
- above 30 jt (ie. 2,5 jtx12 months) for a Permohonan KITAS

Note that there is no law autorising them to evalute to this amount the amount of money needed to live in Indonesia... but if they provide us with the material we need, then we should use it, shouldn't we?
Just leave it in blank, attache a copy of a bank statement to the form and make a print copy of the link I provided above and keep it handy in case of a pegawai try to argue anything. It is where your wife wave the print copy and wonder why a pegawai is assuming that she does not have enough money to sponsor you. Is the pegawai above the Direktur² of the DitJen Imigrasi? I won't need to quote you the Pasal of the law which says that he has no authority to assume something different than his bosses already acknowledged so publicly.
You don't want to fill any fictionnal amount in this form, sign it on top of a meterai, and then after have a visit of some guy of the Kantor Pajak asking you why your wife claim to have "millions of income" that she does not report to their office, do you ?

I'll continue later for the rest of your post...

atlantis
22-10-08, 14:42
Afterall, it's me here as head of the family, providing care and food for her.As she's my sponsor, but I'm the provider, in theory that makes me her employer? - you see where I'm going?
As I told you, leave in blank and just provide a bank statement of any amount equal or superior to the figures I quoted.



Secondly, and athough I'm crystal clear as to why I'm here, as head of the family, etc., she is confused as to what exactly to fill in (using bahasa), whether she needs to quote the articles from Marriage Law, or apa?
I see what you mean. Here just write "Alasan Keluarga". Point. This is your reason to be in Indonesia.
As I said in some threads, I have been staying quite long on sosbud visa. I never filled the "Penghasilan setahun" and always filled wth these two simple words "alasan keluarga" the Surat Jaminan.


You never know, Imigrasi might choose (conveniently) to scoff at the reason she states, and laugh us out of the kantor
They would never do that since you are legally married. Would be a very big risk if you complain officially to the KanWil or the DitJen.



But since all that polava with his bullsh*t, stealing our Rp6Jt and all the rest of it, not to mention what we've learned from your invaluable help (thanks), it's well past time we disposed of his 'service' - I'm sure you'd agree.
I could not agree more :)


If you remember from one of my previous posts, we thought our 'friend' wasn't working there anymore. We were right, as he's now working in the Kantor KanwIl! I see more fun n games (and headaches) on a rocky road ahead of us. What do you think?

No risk for you because the relations in between foreigners and kanwil are not as direct than in between foreigners and kantor imigrasi. You will just have to go pick up a letter there, signed by the KaBIm geerally, and to bring it to the DitJen or to the KanIm.
If he causes trouble, just report to theKaBIm as I told you. A written report, not an oral one. A written report will allow you to remenber it in any other further occasion and a written report can not stay without answer.

And remenber, anyone has a boss in an administration. Locate the boss or the boss of the boss and lodge a complaint if someone mess wth your rights. They will soon stop the game.

Al.Gray
23-10-08, 09:45
1000 thanks for that, Atlantis.
Since our pejabat 'friend' still owes me Rp500K (dan dia masih harus minta maaf), I'm going to let him see our, already completed, formulae are processed smoothly, at his expense, using the money he owes us. If he doesn't want to, then up to him, isn't it? But I wouldn't like to be in his shoes :)
Besides, it'll save us having to deal with any of the other bodoh idiots in the office itself.
We'll let you know how it all goes.

All the best for now and thanks once more.
Sampai Jumpa!

AEG

atlantis
23-10-08, 10:16
1000 thanks for that, Atlantis.
Since our pejabat 'friend' still owes me Rp500K (dan dia masih harus minta maaf), I'm going to let him see our, already completed, formulae are processed smoothly, at his expense, using the money he owes us. If he doesn't want to, then up to him, isn't it? But I wouldn't like to be in his shoes :)
Besides, it'll save us having to deal with any of the other bodoh idiots in the office itself.
We'll let you know how it all goes.

All the best for now and thanks once more.
Sampai Jumpa!

AEG

You are welcome.
I understand that it can be stressfull or hair raising, but you will see in a few months (or maybe you won't see if you get your KITAS) how easy it is to extend by yourself a SosBud, without having to pay bribes. The first time, as many things, is the "impressive" one. After we always wonder why we where confused!?

I will for sure keep you posted if I sort out this "4 months rule waiting period" thing. My bet is that the law that I quoted you in my last PM, which amended the article 48 of the Peraturan Pemerintah nomor 32 tahun 1994 IS valid... but that it did not reach (yet) the various Kantor Imigrasi in the country, since all Kantor Imigrasi I dealt with are requiring to follow the Article 48 in its old version. The law modifying it has been passed in... 2005, but is still considered apparently "too new" to be known or implemented!!!:rolleyes:

Erm... for the "minta maaf" from the pejabat who tried to rip you off... don't expect too much ;)

vinrif
30-10-08, 16:50
Dear Atlantis,

First of all i thank you very much for your interest in helping all of us (confused expats!!). You are doing such a noble job for us.

I was reading all ur articles including last one on procedure for converting social budaya visa to vitas.

I went to kantor immigrasi and someone working on front desk offered me his services for the same for 5 jt. stating that he need to do some extra work since my age is not above 55.

I would like to ask you is it necessary to be over 55 in order to be sponsered by indonesian wife?

one more lady sitting besides us in kantin she offered same service for 2.5 juta.

but after reading ur article.. i think we should do it by ourselves and stay away from all calo.

just help me for this age matter and i will be very greatful to you.

Bule_Licious
31-10-08, 12:55
I would like to ask you is it necessary to be over 55 in order to be sponsered by indonesian wife?



You do not need to be 55+. Age is irrelevant.

I'm under 55 and my wife sponsors me.

Luckily, we have used the same "agent" helper for years for various different types of visas, and he has a long list of other expat customers and thus experience with just about every situation you can imagine. It *is* possible to find a reliable agent, but probably only through word-of-mouth recommendations from your friends.

atlantis
31-10-08, 13:22
The condition of age (ie over 55 y.o) is valid for any person willing to apply for a KITAS Lansia (retirement visa). There is no conditions of age for a KITAS sponsored by an indonesian spouse. For this KITAS, the main condition is that you are legally married to your wife/husband.
You may want to use an agent, but this KITAS is the easiest to get in terms of procedure, and you could definitively manage it by yourself if it is your will.
You may even be able to circumvert the 4 months waiting period for transforming your sosbud in a KITAS since the Peraturan Pemerintah nomor 38 tahun 2005 amended the article 48 of the Peraturan Pemerintah nomor 32 tahun 1994 which required the 4 months waiting period. the problem is that most of the KanIm seem to be unaware of its existence... and that you will hae to convince them that it exists if you don't want to wait the 4 months!

ashayu
18-11-08, 00:09
Hi All,

I want to share my experience.

I have applied VITAS (visa tingga terbatas) for my husband. This vitas allows him to stay in Indonesia for 365 days after the arrival date, and can be renewed yearly.

I was told by some immigration officers that this is a new Undang-Undang (Law) and not yet has a peraturan pemerintah (I don't know what is the english translation for this).

If any of you want to apply for this, please go directly to Kanim or Immigration office. In my case, I went to Dirjen Imigrasi at Kuningan, Jakarta. Please.. please.. ignore any officers or agents that offered to help you. An officer offered to help me to get the approval letter for 6millions rupiah (around usd600)! I just ignored him and went straight to the counter. These are the requirements (some of them are not written on the big board of visa application requirements):

1. Application letter by sponsor (wife)
2. Form VISQ (you can purchase this at the immigration office) costs Rp.13,000,- plus "meterai" Rp. 6,000,- (if you buy it there,they sell it for Rp.7,000,-)
3. Fotocopy of husband's passport
4. Husband's CV
5. Fotocopy of wife's KTP
6. Fotocopy of wife's bank balance statement
7. Fotocopy of marriage certivicate (Please bring along the original just in case they ask to see it).
8. Fotocopy of wife's Kartu Keluarga (Family Card). It can be her father's, as long as her name is in the card.
9. Sponsorship statement from the wife signed with "meterai".

In 7 working days the approval letter will be sent to the embassy/consulate where the husband resides / is going to apply for the visa. The wife has to collect this letter and pay for telex Rp.25,000,- (may vary between countries).

One more thing that is required for this, if you choose to do it without any help from agents or "others"... patience.... patience.. patience... It took me 3 hours, from the first time I got my waiting number until I was called to the counter. So bring some magazines, ipod, and maybe a mask? (since the waiting room is full of smoking agents)..

Good luck!

bingo
18-11-08, 12:13
Thanks very much for the info. I wonder why they need the husband CV as he is not allowed to work on the VITAS anyway right?

Al.Gray
25-11-08, 09:18
Hi Atlantis. Here we are now, at the second extension of my Sosbud, 4 months into it, and as much as I wanted to do it all by the book and follow your advice to the letter, my lovely wife wasn't so keen to. Unlike me, she doesn't like complaining and upsetting the powers that be (something about karma and mystical voodoo hoodoos, or whatever she was prattling on about, bless her, she just doesn't want to make any kind of problem for us staying here in kampungland). So, she wanted me to seek our 'friend', the pejabat's help once more, to make the proses easier and smoother.
If you remember last time, he's the same guy who tried to rip us off for 6 million rupiah, and who was originally looking for the same again to help make the KITAS this time. That was before I'd had a few stiff words with him about the law and KanwIl etc.
Now he's agreed to help to sort out everything in Jogja for us, get our application past the KanIm at Kantor Imigrasi, as well as sorting everything out for us at Kantor Kanwil (kantor KanwIl is actually where our 'friend' is working, so maybe you'll understand how making complaints and a big fuss might delay everything and make it more difficult for us, yes?
So, he's agreed to do it here for the bargain price of Rp500,000, which, although isn't great, is a lot less than he was originally asking, and it saves us going everywhere here, dealing with more corrupt officials who we don't know.
For my next point, you mentioned in a previous post, to start the proses to convert the Sosbud to KITAS 'after' receiving back the second extension? Anybody we've spoken to in the Kantor Imigrasi here, including our 'friend', have insisted both the formula (the 2nd extension and the conversion) should be submitted now, together. Our 'friend' says, it might be late and cannot convert if we don't do it this way?
When I told him we wanted to send all the documents to Ditjen Imigrasi Jakarta by Tiki, he said that could take much longer than us going there in person. Judging from the amount of unopened Tiki post I saw in Kantor Ditjen Imigrasi Jakarta, I'm convinced to believe this.
Olivier, is there a certain trustable person you yourself deal with in Kantor Ditjen Imigrasi Jakarta whom you can recommend or the correct department and phone number of who we exactly need to deal with about this, please?
Based on our last visit to Kantor DitJen Imigrasi Jakarta, I can tell you, without a shadow of a doubt, there's a whole system of corruption going on there too.
My wife says, "In a corrupt country, even though the government make the rule, all the employee play their own game at their own price!" It so happens, our 'friend' from Kantor KanwIl here, has a friend in Jakarta too, and I've now heard mention maybe needing to pay 3 Juta to get everything done in Jakarta when we go there - Aduh! THEN who to complain to if someone tries to pull some corruption stunt there? The plot thickens!!
My wife wants to go to Kantor DitJen Imigrasi Jakarta alone, but I really don't know if she can handle everything by herself, and people might try to walk all over her. Afterall, you know already she isn't one to complain or make a fuss (unless she's nagging her husband hard under foot!)
Gwa? Pusing sekali...,Kasihan deh!

To end on a happier note.....when our pejabat friend helped us a month ago for the 1st extension, I insisted he did it all and paid the fee himself from the Rp500k he still owed me at that time, otherwise I'd be making a report to his boss, the KanwIl.. Don't think he was too happy about it, but obliged nevertheless. There's some justice, at least.

All and any advice you can give will be welcome, appreciated.

Thanks before,

AEG

edtjes
30-11-08, 11:07
Dear Atlantis,

If I follow your way of getting a kitas so with the sosbud and then applying for the kitas while I'm in Indonesia. Do I still need to get the vitas at an embassy outside Indonesia like going go to singapore. To be honest me and my wife are dasseld by the diffrence in price to get a kitas from jakarta and tangerang jakarta it's 2.5 mil. rupiah but tangerang it's 6.5 mil rupiah to get the kitas until the process is finnish so we can enjoy our time.

thnx

Delon
01-12-08, 19:33
:) Hello everyone...I'm a new member of this Forum, but have been visiting this useful Website for a year! I'm Indonesian and married to an English man and we have now lived in the UK for 22 years.
- Married in Jakarta both KUA and Register Office
- All papers have been legalised/stampped by British Council Jakarta
(this is to save time for translations, etc in the UK)
After 19 years living in the UK, I decided to get a British Passport. For these last two months, my husband has been contemplating to live in Indonesia for our retirement. To be honest; it's a headache for me, as I'm not an Indonesian passport holder anymore which means I can not sponsor him. I'm aware that there are companies who does this kind of service, but it seems quite expensive! - Does anyone know that if I can actually regain my citicenship??? Thanks for your help!

Dr. Michael Beer
12-12-08, 15:03
I read with great interest the information you gave. Unfortunately they are mostly about Jakarta. Would you please so kind, telling me, how it goes here in Bali. I am Austrian, married with Balinese in Australia and living now in East Bali (Karangasem) - Immigration Office is Singaraja. At the presence I am on a pensiun KITAS,(coming in April No. V) but it costs every year around 6 Mio + the Multiple Exit Entry Permits...and I am tired of this agent. Thanks a lot for infrmation.

atlantis
18-12-08, 21:14
I read with great interest the information you gave. Unfortunately they are mostly about Jakarta. Would you please so kind, telling me, how it goes here in Bali. I am Austrian, married with Balinese in Australia and living now in East Bali (Karangasem) - Immigration Office is Singaraja. At the presence I am on a pensiun KITAS,(coming in April No. V) but it costs every year around 6 Mio + the Multiple Exit Entry Permits...and I am tired of this agent. Thanks a lot for infrmation.

Bali, Jakarta or Manado, where I live have the exact same legal regulation. the amoun t asked may vary but the legal fees are the same: IDR 700.000 for a 1 year KITAS. The infos I gave are valid for ALL Indonesia, not only for one province or another. Obviously agents have different fees but the standard legal fees are always the same. Follow the procedure and do it yourself, this is by far the cheapest way to do it.
Wish you good luck.

irfan
14-01-09, 19:35
Hi
while getting the documents for the kitas ready, one requirement is a bank statement of my sponsor [my wife]. What is the minimum amount of money that should be in the account?
thx [again]

atlantis
14-01-09, 23:57
Hi
while getting the documents for the kitas ready, one requirement is a bank statement of my sponsor [my wife]. What is the minimum amount of money that should be in the account?
thx [again]

No minimum is required by law. However, it would be wise to have a minimum of 10 to 20 millions rupiah to my opinion, in order to avoid any attempt of anyone saying that she "does not have enough"...

irfan
16-01-09, 20:57
No minimum is required by law. However, it would be wise to have a minimum of 10 to 20 millions rupiah to my opinion, in order to avoid any attempt of anyone saying that she "does not have enough"...
thx mate
i set u a private msg with a few other questions (i'm sorry) I would really appreciate if you could shed some light on those issues that i have raised
thx a MILLION
UR A STAR!

irfan
16-01-09, 21:01
Oh guru of imagrassi law!! [ATLANTIS] Hi. i have recently got married here in Jakarta. I went to see a guy at imagrassi and he said, that I need the British consulate, to certify the marriage and is part of the documents submitted for kitas. Is this true?
2- what are the requirements for the bank statement. how much money should be showing in the account?
3-I was trying to look for the link where u have posted a format for the 'demand' letter?:confused:
I dont think there is a country in the world that has such a complicated system!! I laughed alound to learn that i cannot work here even though as a husband it is my duty to provide for the family!!
Take care
and keep up the good work

atlantis
31-01-09, 05:41
Hi Al Gray,
I will try to answer today to your PM, though it is much easier for me to answer to posts rather than to PM. Having been away for about 3 months my PM box got full quite a few times. It can hold only a maximum of 50 messages at a time and when the number of 50 is exceeded, subsequent PM got lost. I've tried to transfer and save in my email box most of the PM I received during the time I was in Europe, and try to answer to them now that I have a bit more time. However, I also have family and business obligations here so I try to make a balance :)

atlantis
31-01-09, 16:39
We posted my KITAS application to Kantor Ditgen Imigrasi Jakarta over two weeks ago by Tiki, but for the last week, have been trying, without hardly any success to find out the progress or whereabouts of it.
My wife's friend at a different immigration office in Jakarta informed us Pak Hari Masono would be the one dealing with it there. So, without too much forethought, I put his name on the top of the envelope before sending it off. Many people had said that it's better to bring it there in person, but you know what I'm like about not wanting to deal with corrupt officials face-to-face, as well as long journey's and travel expenses. So really, I just took your words for it that it'd be ok to post it.
We've since discovered that this Pak Hari Marsono is, in fact, head of immigration in there; so, putting his name on the top of the envelope is probably no guarantee he'd be the one who receives it there. I'd asked you a couple of times if there was a definitively trustable individual in Kantor Ditjen Jakarta, but I suppose you've too busy or don't know?
The phone numbers I have for there are 021-5224658/ext 2522 and 021-5225030. For these numbers, there is either no reply, or they don't feel enak asking the 'boss'. Do you have any airtight suggestions or advice for us to find out what's going on with my application, hopefully without the necessity of going to Jakarta, and before my current SosBud is at an end again and can't extend it?

1. Posting the thing by Tiki is OK as long as the address you have send it is OK. It should be addressed to:
Direktorat Jenderal Imigrasi
c/o Direktorat Izin tinggal dan Status Keimigrasian
Jalan H.R Rasuna Said
Kavling 8/9 Kuningan
JAKARTA

2. Pak Hari MARSONO is NOT "head of immigration". Bapak Direktur Jenderal Imigrasi is Drs. Basyir Ahmad BARMAWI. However Pak Hari MARSONO is the actual Bapak Direktur Izin Tinggal dan Status Keimigrasian. The Sub-Direktorat Alih Status Keimigrasian being a part of the Direktorat Izin Tinggal dan Status Keimigrasian, it is no problem that you have put his name as the receiver. However, I do not avise to anyone the put a name on an envelop. Better to stay general. If the guy is sick, has been removed or is on vacation you just delay the thing.

3. I am afraid that you are hoping too much if you hope to avoid a trip to Jakarta. Really, Al Gray, don't think that posting the thing will get you away with all problems. You may send it by Tiki... but don't even dream that they will sent it back to you the same way ! Nothing in the law force them to do so (just read at the laws I fowarded you). You will have no other choice than going there to pick it up if they decide not to send it to your KanIm.
You have gone through a few steps (and certainly the most "painful") but it's not over. If you just wait at home, time's gonna pass and you will soon reach the deadline of your SosBud. Check with your KanIm if they did not receive it from the DitJen, but if they don't, you will have to go (better your wife, they won't deal with you) to pick it up. Saving money at this point would be a mistake. Alternatively your wife can sign a Surat Kuasa to anyone to pick it up. The worst would be that they send it by the Kantor Pos. A week ago I received an official letter from Mahkamah Agung posted... December the 2nd!!! :eek:

4. The phone number of the DitJen is indeed 021-5224658. Not sure about the extension that you should ask for but anything starting by 25 sounds OK to me because it leads to the 5th floor of the building which is the floor of the Sub-Direktorat Alih Status Keimigrasian (this is the office you should ask).

5. Any trustable individual in there? :eek: Was that intended to be a joke? IMHO they are often much better than in local KanIm but don't go to fast to reach conclusions

Hope that it answered to your PM.

Al.Gray
31-01-09, 19:07
Dear Olivier,
Thanks for your detailed reply, just unfortunate for us, finding all that out now, as you'd be otherwise occupied.
As a matter of fact, we have had a piece of luck since sending you that prior private message. One morning, I did manage to get through to the right department, and after my wife chatted to the pejabat, arranged to meet him there.
That was 10 days ago. She's now already just back,with the letter, a little delayed due to the office being closed for the Chinese New Year holiday.
Our pejabat 'friend' here, maybe disappointed we hadn't taken up his offer to 'help' us for Rp.6million, had told us, to get the letter ourselves from Jakarta, we'd be expected to pay something in the region of 4 to 5 million (one of the things I'd been keen to avoid).
Strangely enough, although I was quite sure my application had already been lost or stuck in some corner, gathering dust , under a stack of similar applications, all credit to my wife, she met our new pejabat 'friend' in Jakarta, and with a token payment for his help, locating our application, and arranging a quick production of the letter, she was back with said letter and a smile on her pretty face. Alhamdulilah!
But wait, it only gets better. Two days ago, we took the letter to submit to Kantor Kanwil Jogja ourselves. We'd never been there, but upon arriving inside, were surprised to meet my wife's Uncle, we learnt, is the 'Adjudant ke KanwIl', and whose wife works in Kantor Imigrasi here (all news to us).
So, all in all, it looks like this quest is almost at an end, and maybe all the praying paid off. Feels like a great weight has been lifted.
I can only thank you Olivier, along with my wife, for all your valuable help and support in this matter, and wish you and your family all the best, now and in the future.

Cheers,
AEG

Now to deal with Indotom.......

atlantis
01-02-09, 06:26
;)
Dear Olivier,
Thanks for your detailed reply, just unfortunate for us, finding all that out now, as you'd be otherwise occupied.
As a matter of fact, we have had a piece of luck since sending you that prior private message. One morning, I did manage to get through to the right department, and after my wife chatted to the pejabat, arranged to meet him there.
That was 10 days ago. She's now already just back,with the letter, a little delayed due to the office being closed for the Chinese New Year holiday.
Our pejabat 'friend' here, maybe disappointed we hadn't taken up his offer to 'help' us for Rp.6million, had told us, to get the letter ourselves from Jakarta, we'd be expected to pay something in the region of 4 to 5 million (one of the things I'd been keen to avoid).
Strangely enough, although I was quite sure my application had already been lost or stuck in some corner, gathering dust , under a stack of similar applications, all credit to my wife, she met our new pejabat 'friend' in Jakarta, and with a token payment for his help, locating our application, and arranging a quick production of the letter, she was back with said letter and a smile on her pretty face. Alhamdulilah!
But wait, it only gets better. Two days ago, we took the letter to submit to Kantor Kanwil Jogja ourselves. We'd never been there, but upon arriving inside, were surprised to meet my wife's Uncle, we learnt, is the 'Adjudant ke KanwIl', and whose wife works in Kantor Imigrasi here (all news to us).
So, all in all, it looks like this quest is almost at an end, and maybe all the praying paid off. Feels like a great weight has been lifted.
I can only thank you Olivier, along with my wife, for all your valuable help and support in this matter, and wish you and your family all the best, now and in the future.

Cheers,
AEG

Now to deal with Indotom.......
Glad to read all of that. FYI, DitJen "never" looses files. They just need to have from time to time a reminder to "dig" it from the pile.:)
May I suggest you to post here the extension number and the name of the guy your wife met at the DitJen. It may be of help for users that would be in the pretty much same situation than you.
Remenber that you will still have to do a SKLD and a SKTT upon receiving your KITAS. remenber also that you will have to start the renewal processing at least 30 days before the expiration of the KITAS. Do not forget to apply for a MERP (Multiple exit/re-entry permit). If you browse through the laws I forwarded you and the thread here you should find the path for a DIY procedure. If in need, post here if it has a direct link to the thread, or create a new thread. It is much easier for me to answer to post and it is also much more interesting for users to read the answer from many different users, not only me. From know, I think you are gonna be able to answer yourself to quite a few question concerning the transformation of a sosbud in a Kitas, aren't you ?;)

Al.Gray
02-02-09, 10:51
;)
Glad to read all of that. FYI, DitJen "never" looses files. They just need to have from time to time a reminder to "dig" it from the pile.:)
May I suggest you to post here the extension number and the name of the guy your wife met at the DitJen. It may be of help for users that would be in the pretty much same situation than you.
Remenber that you will still have to do a SKLD and a SKTT upon receiving your KITAS. remenber also that you will have to start the renewal processing at least 30 days before the expiration of the KITAS. Do not forget to apply for a MERP (Multiple exit/re-entry permit). If you browse through the laws I forwarded you and the thread here you should find the path for a DIY procedure. If in need, post here if it has a direct link to the thread, or create a new thread. It is much easier for me to answer to post and it is also much more interesting for users to read the answer from many different users, not only me. From know, I think you are gonna be able to answer yourself to quite a few question concerning the transformation of a sosbud in a Kitas, aren't you? )

Wow! I'm sure I was up half of last night and wrote more than that on here - or was it all a dream? :p I've always campaigned against censorship

The main problem we found with DitJen was actually being lucky enough to find someone there at the right time to answer our call, who was in a position and willing to help us quickly..It took us over two weeks, calling every day, to find him (or was it a 'her' - who knows, I forget, sorry. :) ) Feeling, for so many days, we were banging our heads against a proverbial brick wall did our marital relations no favours during that time either.

That's a nice suggestion, but unfortunately, our 'friend' there surely doesn't need their name handphone number and activity posted in a public forum, and probably wouldn't feel like helping even us anymore if we were to divulge that (my wife very laughing here, hearing your suggestion, sorry hehe). I'm sure you understand.
Besides, my wife is now considering the possibility of working, in some capacity, as a Visa agent or intermediary, then try to make a few extra sheckels doing that. Going on some of the prices some of the agents charge,undercutting them shouldn't be a problem..
Yes, thanks, now we are in a position to answer others' questions and concerns, but you already do it so well Olivier, we wouldn't want to risk posting inaccurate information in a public forum. If we write too much, it might be somehow misinterpreted or 'lost' in translation, kan?

Again, thanks.

AEG

kucingku
13-02-09, 05:46
20. In the same time, you have to go to the Catatan Sipil to get a SKTT (Surat Keterangan Tempat Tinggal). Be careful you have 14 days to do so after the date of issuance of the KITAS (Pasal 20, undang undang 23 tahun 2006 tentang Administrasi Kependudukan). Failure to do so in time would expose you to a fine of a maximum of IDR 2.000K (Pasal 89, undang undang 23 tahun 2006 tentang Administrasi Kependudukan). The SKTT is valid for the length of the KITAS.
21. Your next move will be to go to the Departemen Pajak to get a NPWP, the husband's personal tax number... :)
.

Does he still need a NPWP ? I thought since the wife who sponsor/supports him, she can make a statement letter explaning that her hubby is her responsibility. (copy of her NPWP or statement letter)

Dr. Michael Beer
24-02-09, 17:39
Additional question and I hope Atlantis is on "duty": I have been on KITAS Pensium for 4 years, so far, pay a lot of money to the agency they told me is allowed to do the Pensiun Kitas, pay for Multiple exit reentry permit ecc.
question: Can my Indonesian wife sponsor the KITAS Pensiun?

atlantis
24-02-09, 18:03
Additional question and I hope Atlantis is on "duty": I have been on KITAS Pensium for 4 years, so far, pay a lot of money to the agency they told me is allowed to do the Pensiun Kitas, pay for Multiple exit reentry permit ecc.
question: Can my Indonesian wife sponsor the KITAS Pensiun?

Much much easier: she can sponsor you for a KITAS ikut istri. No requirements apart from being legally married under Indonesian law and being able to support you financially for the length of the KITAS. Apply directly with her in your local KanIm and chances are that you will do the whole thing for the real cost of it: IDR 700.000

Dr. Michael Beer
26-02-09, 17:40
Hope you forgive my ignorance. Just few questions more:
1. Can you exactly quote the law (number, date, name) for the Kitas istri please
2. If I get sponsored by my wife and want to go abroad, do I need this Multiple exit-reentry permit?
3. How often I must renew this kind of KITAS?
5. When does it become permanent, meaning not longer to be extended?
Thanks a lot and...

atlantis
26-02-09, 17:56
Hope you forgive my ignorance. Just few questions more:
1. Can you exactly quote the law (number, date, name) for the Kitas istri please

Peraturan menteri Hukum dan HAM RI nomor M.01-IZ.01.10 tahun 2007 tentang perubahan kedua atas keputusan menteri kehakiman RI nomor M.02-IZ.01.10 tahun 1995 tentang visa singgah, visa kunjungan, visa tinggal terbatas, izin masuk dan izin keimigrasian"

The modified article 67 reads now:


Pasal 67
(1) Alih Status Izin Kunjungan menjadi Izin Tinggal Terbatas dapat diberikan kepada
orang asing dalam rangka:
a. menanamkan modal;
b. bekerja sebagai tenaga kerja ahli;
c. bekerja sebagai pimpinan perusahaan;
d. melaksanakan tugas sebagai rohaniwan;
e. mengikuti pendidikan dan pelatihan;
f. mengadakan penelitian ilmiah;
g. menggabungkan diri dengan suami atau istri warga negara Indonesia;
h. menggabungkan diri dengan suami atau istri pemegang Izin Tinggal Terbatas atau
Izin Tinggal Tetap;
i. menggabungkan diri dengan orang tua pemegang Izin Tinggal Terbatas atau Izin
Tinggal Tetap bagi anak yang berumur di bawah 18 (delapan belas) tahun dan
belum kawin;

Point g is the one which is of interests to you. It means that a foreigner can change his/her status from a visit visa to a temporary stay permit (read KITAS) for the reason of joining his/her indonesian spouse.

The right of having a KITAS if you are married with an Indonesan spouse is guaranteed by the citizenship law (undang undang nomor 12 tahun 2006 tentang kewarganegaraan RI)


2. If I get sponsored by my wife and want to go abroad, do I need this Multiple exit-reentry permit?
Yes you do.


3. How often I must renew this kind of KITAS?
Yearly


5. When does it become permanent, meaning not longer to be extended?
After 2 full years in Indonesia (ie KITAS ke 3), you can apply for a KITAP which is valid for 5 years. However, there is still controversies about this rule and you will have to fight hard to get it enforced. Many KanIm will requst 5 years in a row on the same KITAS before approving a KITAP. A KITAP is valid 5 years without needing a renewal.
Only indonesian citizenship could allow you not to have to renew your immigration status. Being married with an Indonesan wife wouldbe a very good way to reach this goal...

Dr. Michael Beer
09-04-09, 15:38
.Please,could any of the immigration gurus get this link working - it gives error messages:
http://www.imigrasi.go.id/popUp.inc.php?go=faq&subgo=detail&faqId=3
2. I just returned back from Imigrasi Singaraja, Bali. They have an "official" fee-liste, but it shows e.g. for 1 year Exit-Re-Entry Rp 1,750.000...Does anybody have a REAL one? Would this be valid for whole RI? It should be...
3. ad 19) What police MAIN Resort is meant, where I can get issued the SKLD? Would this be for Bali the district I live or the Headquarter in Denpasar. Could you please state the exact name.
Very grateful

Last but not least: is there - like in other countries - a website where you can download the formulir needed? It would make a lot of help, I have to travel anyway around 120km.

atlantis
12-04-09, 15:45
.Please,could any of the immigration gurus get this link working - it gives error messages:
http://www.imigrasi.go.id/popUp.inc.php?go=faq&subgo=detail&faqId=3
I am not sure to understand what you mean here :eek:
You may want to send an email directly to the imigrasi. None of the users here are working for Imigrasi either.


2. I just returned back from Imigrasi Singaraja, Bali. They have an "official" fee-liste, but it shows e.g. for 1 year Exit-Re-Entry Rp 1,750.000...Does anybody have a REAL one? Would this be valid for whole RI? It should be...
The official fee list that regulates immigration fees is obviously valid for the whole territory of Indonesia. The exact reference for the law is: Peraturan Pemerintah nomor 19 tahun 2007 (http://www.kbrikuwait.org/PP%20NO%2019%20TAHUN%202007.pdf) and you can download it by clicking on the link. Look at the roman numbers VII.
The price for an Izin Masuk Kembali are:
1. IDR 200.000 for a single entry Izin Masuk Kembali
2. IDR 600.000 for a multiple entry Izin Msuk Kembali valid 6 months
3. IDR 1.000.000 for a multiple entry Izin Msuk Kembali valid 1 year.
4. IDR 1.750.000 for a multiple entry Izin Msuk Kembali valid 2 years.

With a KITAS index 317 or 319 (I don't remenber what is your Index of KITAS, but from what I recall it is either a retirement KITAS - 319 - or a KITAS sponsored by your Indonesian wife - 317... Correct?) only the number 1., 2. or 3. are available to you.


3. ad 19) What police MAIN Resort is meant, where I can get issued the SKLD? Would this be for Bali the district I live or the Headquarter in Denpasar. Could you please state the exact name.
I refer to the POLDA office of the place you live. Unfortunately I do not have any address for Bali or any other city in Indonesia, but the city where I live. Kindly ask to a local to point you the Kantor POLDA.



Last but not least: is there - like in other countries - a website where you can download the formulir needed? It would make a lot of help, I have to travel anyway around 120km.
Erm... I am afraid that you won't have such website in Indonesia available before a few years. I may even be optimistic with this statement. :)

beebop
27-05-09, 16:28
I plan to apply for a kitas next week but i have 2 issues that i hope someone can give me advice on.

1. My wife is not in possession of her KTP Due to previous problems we had when trying to get our marriage certificate. She is applying now to get it back but the forms were lost by tiki during delivery and now the procedure has to start all over again. Can we get away with a photocopy of the KTP?

2. The bank refuses to give us a bank statement because the account is still new. The account in question is a time deposito so i cant just close it and go to another bank. Can we use the BILYET DEPOSITO BERJANGKA That was issued to us when we opened the account to show to immigration?

Thanks for any advice that you can give.

atlantis
27-05-09, 17:12
My wife is not in possession of her KTP Due to previous problems we had when trying to get our marriage certificate. She is applying now to get it back but the forms were lost by tiki during delivery and now the procedure has to start all over again. Can we get away with a photocopy of the KTP?
You can try, but for this matter it is not sure that it works. It belongs to KanIm to check all documents for a first issuance of a KITAS and they should normally check the original one. However, they may well be happy just with a copy of it. Hard to predict. Just try and keep handy your wife's passport just in case.

The bank refuses to give us a bank statement because the account is still new. The account in question is a time deposito so i cant just close it and go to another bank. Can we use the BILYET DEPOSITO BERJANGKA That was issued to us when we opened the account to show to immigration?
It will do fine. Any prove that you have money enough to live in Indonesia is suitable. Give the copy of it, but keep wth you th orgina in case they wanna se it.
By the way, I am in France, but I am gonna ask my wife to contact your wife regarding our PMs. I'll do it before the beginning of June. ;)

beebop
08-06-09, 12:09
The foreigner goes to his local KanIm (no mandatory waiting period of 4 months), along with his indonesian wife to apply for the conversion of his izin kunjungan in an ITAS. (Pasal 47 & Pasal 48* PP nomor 32 thn 1994)

Can someone please show me where i can find this law, especially something that says that i no longer need to wait 4 months. I need to print it to show the kanim. They insist that we have to leave the country and return using visa 317. When i tell them i want to process my kitas from within indonesia, they say that the process can only begin once my sosbud has been extended 4 times (not 4 months, but 4 times) which means that my sosbud will expire anyway and i will have to leave the country anyway. I know this means they dont know what they doing and also tactics to force us to do their way, but i honestly dont know how to aproach them without any official laws to force them to process my kitas.
I feel that it will be easier to just do it their way by exiting the country to singapore and enter back again using visa 317 but i first want to try quoting the law to them to see what kind of response i can get. The reason i want to also be a bit forcefull with them is because my wifes passport is expired, so if we gonna do it the way immigration want, its going to involve alot more stress for us trying to apply a new passport for my wife since we dont have all the papers needed to do that either.
Many thanks to all those who assist us.

atlantis
08-06-09, 14:08
Can someone please show me where i can find this law, especially something that says that i no longer need to wait 4 months. I need to print it to show the kanim. They insist that we have to leave the country and return using visa 317. When i tell them i want to process my kitas from within indonesia, they say that the process can only begin once my sosbud has been extended 4 times (not 4 months, but 4 times) which means that my sosbud will expire anyway and i will have to leave the country anyway.

They refer wrongly to the old article 48 of the Peraturan Pemerintah nomor 32 tahun 1994. It has been amended in 2005... but they are still unaware of it.:rolleyes:

PM me an email address and I will forward you any text of law you need and highlight the articles you need to show 'em. Be cool when you "teach" them the law... they usually don't like it when a foreigner teach them what they should normally be aware of. Show them the old article, which by the way did not required 4 extensions of izin kunjungan but 4 months of stay, and the new article. Be polite and cool and your application will go through.

beebop
30-07-09, 20:53
18[/FONT][/COLOR][/B]. The foreigner has to go to his Kantor Lurah to get a Surat keterengan domisili stating his formal address in Indonesia and he should bring this letter to his Catatan Sipil to get a SKTT (Surat Keterangan Tempat Tinggal), a SKPPS (surat keterengan pendaftaran penduduk sementara) and a SKDLN (Surat Keterengan Datang dari Luar Negeri). A foreigner staying on a KITAS MUST register at the Capil for the above documents. It will help smothen a KITAP procedure later. In fact, chances are that the CaPil compil the three documents and issue a nice greenish card attesting your residency and registration as a temporary resident for the length of the KITAS. Fees for it are defined by Peraturan Daerah and varies depending on each kota/kabupaten. It shouldn't cost more than IDR 150K.
Be careful you have 14 days to do so after the date of issuance of the KITAS (Pasal 20, undang undang 23 tahun 2006 tentang Administrasi Kependudukan) to register. Failure to do so in time would expose you to a fine of a maximum of IDR 2.000K (Pasal 89, undang undang 23 tahun 2006 tentang Administrasi Kependudukan).
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I tried to get this step done today but it seems that things have changed or im really running around like a lost fart.

First of all the capil told us that the letter from the lurah is not needed which makes me pissed because it took half a day to get done. The second thing they told us is that SKPPS does not exist anymore and has been replaced by KIP (kartu ijin penduduk) which should be done at immigration but can also be done at capil. We paid 30,000 rupiah for it and got an official receipt and we can collect it next week. It looks like an id card.
The SKTT can then be processed only after receiving the KIP and is processed by the lura (not capil).
SKDLN does not exist anymore.
Well thats what they told me today. The whole process has changed or i have seriously gone in the wrong direction? I hope im not wrong because im gonna have to seek professional help to get anything done after this. My head is spinning.
Also step 18 should be done before step 17 because there is no need to have SKLD in order to get all of the above and also because of the 14 day time limit to get it done or you face paying a 5 million rupiah fine and not 2 million as stated. There is a big warning notice on the wall at the capil.

atlantis
31-07-09, 07:55
I tried to get this step done today but it seems that things have changed or im really running around like a lost fart.

First of all the capil told us that the letter from the lurah is not needed which makes me pissed because it took half a day to get done. The second thing they told us is that SKPPS does not exist anymore and has been replaced by KIP (kartu ijin penduduk) which should be done at immigration but can also be done at capil. We paid 30,000 rupiah for it and got an official receipt and we can collect it next week. It looks like an id card.
The SKTT can then be processed only after receiving the KIP and is processed by the lura (not capil).
SKDLN does not exist anymore.
Well thats what they told me today. The whole process has changed or i have seriously gone in the wrong direction? I hope im not wrong because im gonna have to seek professional help to get anything done after this. My head is spinning.
Also step 18 should be done before step 17 because there is no need to have SKLD in order to get all of the above and also because of the 14 day time limit to get it done or you face paying a 5 million rupiah fine and not 2 million as stated. There is a big warning notice on the wall at the capil.

Beebop,
Things hasn't change. SKPPS, SKDLN and SKTT are all madatory by law (UU nomor 23 tahun 2006 tentang Administrasi Kependudukan). However, only the SKTT is of importance. The two others are just administrative steps performed by the CaPil before issuance of a SKTT. Administration of population is organised by the cities/regencies and procedures are elaborated in regional regulation (peraturan daerah), as I wrote you once. Peraturan daerah must however remain in the frame given by the law (Undang-Undang). The core text for it is the Undang-Undang nomor 23 tahun 2006 tentang administrasi kependudukan. It happens then that slight variations occur from place to place, be it in the procedure (you need this paper rather than this one, more or less pics...etc) or in the fees requested. But as I said these variations should remain in the frame of the law and the result should be always the same and more important comply with the law. An example: a IDR 5.000.000 fine is illegal. The article 89 of the Undang-Undang nomor 23 tahun 2006 stipulates that the fine is of a maximum of IDR 2.000.000 for a foreigner. Here is the correct article:

Pasal 89
(1) Setiap Penduduk dikenai sanksi administratif berupa denda apabila melampaui batas waktu pelaporan Peristiwa Kependudukan dalam hal:
a. pindah datang bagi Orang Asing yang memiliki Izin Tinggal Terbatas atau Orang Asing yang memiliki Izin Tinggal Tetap sebagaimana dimaksud dalam Pasal 17 ayat (3);
b. pindah datang ke luar negeri bagi Penduduk Warga Negara Indonesia sebagaimana dimaksud dalam Pasal 18 ayat (3);
c. pindah datang dari luar negeri bagi Penduduk Warga Negara Indonesia sebagaimana dimaksud dalam Pasal 19 ayat (1);
d. pindah datang dari luar negeri bagi Orang Asing yang memiliki Izin Tinggal Terbatas sebagaimana dimaksud dalam Pasal 20 ayat (1):
e. perubahan status Orang Asing yang memiliki Izin Tinggal Terbatas menjadi Orang Asing yang memiliki Izin Tinggal Tetap sebagaimana dimaksud dalam Pasal 21 ayat (1);
f. pindah ke luar negeri bagi Orang Asing yang memiliki Izin Tinggal Terbatas atau Orang Asing yang memiliki Izin Tinggal Tetap sebagaimana dimaksud dalam Pasal 22 ayat (1);
g. perubahan KK sebagaimana dimaksud dalam Pasal 62 ayat (2): atau
h. perpanjangan KTP sebagaimana dimaksud dalam Pasal 63 ayat (4).
(2) Denda administratif sebagaimana dimaksud pada ayat (1) terhadap Penduduk Warga Negara Indonesia paling banyak Rp.1.000.000.00 (satu juta rupiah) dan Penduduk Orang Asing paling banyak Rp.2.000.000,00 (dua juta rupiah).
(3) Ketentuan lebih lanjut mengenai penetapan Benda administratif sebagaimana dimaksud pada ayat (2) diatur dalam Peraturan Presiden .

Now about SKPPS and SKDLN,
SKPPS = Certificate of registration as a temporary resident/Surat Keterangan Pendaftaran Penduduk Sementara - they can decide to modify the name to be KIP if they want to do so... Result is the same: registering people as resident. They give you a card for it... Good. One more to be stored. KIP and SKPPS are the same...
SKDLN= Certificate of coming from a foreign country/Surat Keterangan Datang dari Luar Negeri

For these two, cards are rarely issued (I remenber I had one -SKPPS- a few years ago however) but the Catatan Sipil will automocally register you in the two relevant books. They are the first step of the issuance of a SKTT (which is a certificate of residence). Indeed, they could not issue you such certificate without having first registered you i) as coming from abroad and ii) as a temporary resident, couldn't they? In point 18, I wrote: "chances are that the CaPil compil the three documents and issue a nice greenish card attesting your residency and registration as a temporary resident for the length of the KITAS". The nice greenish card is the SKTT (at least when the CaPil has received the card, don't be alarmed if they only remit you an informal document... It happens sometimes...).
Cards are always more expensive than informal documents. The less card you have, the more money you have in your pocket as a general rule...
Just concentrate on the SKTT.
The SKTT should be issued by the CaPil directly or indirectly (in this case, as you noted, it seems to be the lurah which will deal with it) and should be signed by the Kepala Dinas Kependudukan dan Catatan Sipil.

You have to get used to it Beebop. things will never be exactly the same than on the paper in indonesia. It is sometimes a bit difficult at the beginning for people coming from more administrative countries to ajust. But ultimately you will. KIP or SKPPS, lurah or Capil, you will come accross a few variations in your journey through Indonesian administration, but at the end, you will find that these variations have no or almost no significance. Just remenber the two important things that are listed in point 17 & 18:
17. SKLD
18. SKTT

The only delay to really respect is the one for the SKLD (it is one of the reason I "rank" it before the SKTT. Police will try their best to look for trouble if someone is late to register. They are the "emergency", once a KITAS is issued. CaPil, to my knowledge, don't give a toss, even if one is 3 months late for a SKTT. The CaPil, if they would really comply with th law should ask you your SKLD (or the receipt of it if it is in process) because the SKTT that they deliver you is a recognition that you are administratively a resident living in the boundary of the city/regency, that you are administratively lengkap and that you complied with all your administrative obligations (Imigrasi with the KITAS and Police with the SKLD). If they want to issue a SKTT without having verified that you have both a KITAS and a SKLD, this is their "right"... but they miss the point of the whole function they have: administrating the population and compiling datas.

Just take it easy, and make sure you go out of any of the relevant administration with the three important document:
Imigrasi: KITAS
Police: SKLD
City/Regency: SKTT


The rest is secondary...:)

I hope I was complete in my explanations but if something is unclear, feel free to ask on the board.

Nescio
14-08-09, 12:19
Hello everyone,

I'm new to this Forum and am I glad I found it! I've spent the last couple of days browsing the forum :typing: and couldn't believe the amount of light shedding information I encountered.

Atlantis: first of all thanks for all your time and energy you spend to provide us with all this valuable information!

Allow me a few questions on the 'Keputusan DitJen' phase of obtaining a KITAS ikut istri.

From most posts discussing this issue I understood that I need to go to JKT myself to pick up the Keputusan DitJen for my KITAS (or send someone else holding a surat kuasa khusus from me), but one of your remark to Al.Gray in this thread (page 5, 31-01-09) made me unsure about this:

Quote -
"...you will have to go (better your wife, they won't deal with you) to pick it up... Alternatively your wife can sign a Surat Kuasa to anyone to pick it up..."

Unquote

1. I understand here now that it is to be preferred that my wife deals with the Sub-Direktorat Alih Status Keimigrasian because chances are I will be ignored by them. Is this right?

2. If so, and as apparantly she can sign a surat Kuasua to others, does my wife then need a "Surat Kuasa Khusus" from me?

3. If so, how/where to obtain this Surat Kuasa, do I need to go to a notaris in order to get a legal one, or are there other ways to produce it?

4. Do you have a template of this "Surat Kuasa Khusus" available?

Almost last, if possible I would like to receive a copy of the law that deals with the (amended) mandatory 4 month waiting period that the KanIms so desparately cling on to.

Last but not least, fighting or writing if my KanIm chooses to keep ignoring the amended article despite the fact that I hold a copy of the Law I so patiently try to 'teach' them? …uhmm, as my patience like my desired KITAS has batas, I prefer writing ;-) What would you do?

Thanks in advance!

Nescio.

lelenk88
17-08-09, 01:10
Atlantis im so glad i found lotsa information regarding alih status VKSB to Kitas here and thanks to you.
My husband is VKSB holder and has been extended twice.
Actually, i had almost the same problem with al.gray.
I did everything in procedure n run smoothly in surabaya kanim & kanwil. However, even its lil bit too late for me when i found this forum n informations, But i hope i could get any suggestion from whoever in this forum who gone through it. Kindly help me..pls..
I also convinced to believe to send all the documents to Ditjen Imigrasi Jakarta by Tiki could take much longer than us going there in person (this information is from Kanwil officer&kepala kanwil). Alternativey, both kanwil n kanim confirmed that i could ask friend to hand in the letter with surat kuasa bermaterai if me n my husband can't come personally.
After a week, i decided to ask friend in jkt to hand in the letter, after several hours waiting, my friend got rejected by the officer with several reasons:
1. My husband "must" come personally
2. The officer (i prefered not to mentioned his name in here) in the alih status department said he doesn;t have any right to accept the letter and i must call his superior to talk further about my husband's alih status to KITAS. The weird thing is he finally took the letter without giving any receipt except he just gave copy of kanwil's letter with his name n hp no.
And the problem getting complicated because my friend went back home with thought that is the receipt and fax to me.
I rang the officer, and explained my conditions that i couldnt go to jakarta at this point of time, i explained the rules and informations i get from local kanim n kanwil, and most importantly i do not want to bribe him!(i guess thats what he wanted me to call him for). But he straight answered me the same thing he answered my friend and ask me to wait his call to get his superior hp no again.
Atlantis please help me.. :(
He had my original letter from kanwil, and without it do i have to repeat the same procedure once again?? and send by Tiki is better, dont u think???
What should i do to avoid such a corrupt officer and handle this matter?
Seems both ways also cant get it done.
If i report this to surabaya kanim, do you think would help?
please help me..

atlantis
17-08-09, 08:12
He had my original letter from kanwil, and without it do i have to repeat the same procedure once again?? and send by Tiki is better, dont u think???
What should i do to avoid such a corrupt officer and handle this matter?
Seems both ways also cant get it done.
If i report this to surabaya kanim, do you think would help?
please help me..
1. Try to telephone to the DitJenIm ((021) 5224658 ext 2521 - you have to call several time in order to have someone picking up the phone-, in order to find out if your husband's file is registered and if the Keputusan Direktur jenderal Imigrasi tentang Alih status Izin Kunjungan concerning your husband is ready. It will allow you to learn if the immigration officer has registered your letter from KanWil and if the procedure has started. When you call, don't mention the whole story. Just try to learn if the letter has been registered. Provide them the reference of the Surat Kanwil and the name of your husband. When you phone, ask and write the name of your interlocutor. It will ease further communications.
2. If the file is registered, then it's OK. You don't have to stress and you don't need to bother anymore with the prick who wants you to telephone him or his boss. You just have to keep monitoring the process by telephone every two/three days to know if the Keputusan Direktur Jenderal Imigrasi tentang Alih status Izin Kunjungan is ready. Chances are that you will have always the same person answering your call. Don't worry, after a couple of call he/she will be fed up to hear you nagging him/her and he/she will help expedite the process.
3. If it is already ready, then you have to act "fast". You have 30 days after the issuance of the Surat keputusan DitJenIm to complete the procedure. I advise you to either ask to your husband (especially if he speaks bahasa indonesia) to pick it up or to do it again with a Surat Kuasa bermeterai, which is a perfectly legal way to do it (see later in this post). However, if you are using a tiers person, you should pick someone who is able to rest his case and argue the fact that a Surat Kuasa Bermeterai authorises him/her to pick up any documents on your behalf or on behalf of your husband.
4. When you and your husband will have the Keputusan DitJenIm in hand, fax (021- 52962095) a letter to Bpk Soepriatna Anwar, SH, MH, Kasubdit Alih Status Keimigrasian to formulate a light complaint, naming the prick that ask you to telephone him and/or his boss, that he refused on the first place to take the letter brought by a person having a Surat Kuasa from you, that he asked that your husband comes personally..etc. Give as many details as possible in your letter (reference of the documents, dates, names..etc) and join a copy of the Surat Kuasa you gave. Don't make any accusation or don't assume anything (bribes) that you can not prove. Stick to the facts. Next year, believe me, the prick will stay away from your files.


Now, if you find out that your husband's file (Surat kanWil)is registered nowhere, go straight to point number 4 and formulate a formal complaint (still to Bpk Soepriatna Anwar, SH, MH, Kasubdit Alih Status Keimigrasian) giving all details such as:
- Reference of the Surat KanWil
- Date it has been submitted
- Name of the recipient
- Copy of the letter kanwil where the prick put his name and phone number
- Point out the fact that you are pregnant, soon to give birth and that obviously you can not come to pick up the letter nor your husband can leave you alone. It is a shame for an Indonesian administration to deal with its citizen this way, with such a lack of basic humanity.
And telephone everyday to monitor it.


About Tiki: the reason why I advise to use them to send the documents to the DitJenIm is that it is fast (2/3 days), reliable (you have receipt and you can trace the letter)... and it allows you to avoid all the calo. When the letter arrives in the DitJenIm it is immediately registered, leaving no chance to any prick such as you are dealing with to try to play a silly game. I am afraid that the KanIm advise to avoid Tiki is not a good one, and to be really honest, I suspect that they had an agenda by advising you to avoid them. They perfectly know that tiki leaves no chance to their bosses to ask for bribes and they know that if you go there by yourself, it would leave plenty of occasion to their boss to try to milk you. They also know that going from Surabaya to Jakarta and staying overnight just to give one letter has a cost. Therefore by pushing you toward this solution, they also know that you would be more receptive to a proposition of "help" from them (read: "gimme money, I'll take care of it for ya"). Tiki and Internet are a huge concern for the average corrupted Pejabat Imigrasi. The former reduces the costs while the latter provides a wealth of informations.

About Surat Kuasa: Here is an excerpt of the Petunjuk Pelaksanaan DirJenIm nomor F-310.IZ.01.10 tahun 1995 tentang tata cara alih status keimigrasian:
"Permintaan alih status Izin Kunjungan diajukan oleh orang asing yang bersangkutan dan sponsornya atau kuasanya..." *
The possibility to use a kuasa is remenbered in most immigration text. Maybe that the immigration officer that told that a kuasa could not be used should stick his nose in his law books rather than in your papers.

Keep us posted. Hope the above will help you.


* to be found in Paragraph III, huruf B, huruf b, angka 1, huruf a.

atlantis
17-08-09, 09:40
I've spent the last couple of days browsing the forum and couldn't believe the amount of light shedding information I encountered.

Atlantis: first of all thanks for all your time and energy you spend to provide us with all this valuable information!

Thanks... The above comments made my day... :)


From most posts discussing this issue I understood that I need to go to JKT myself to pick up the Keputusan DitJen for my KITAS (or send someone else holding a surat kuasa khusus from me), but one of your remark to Al.Gray in this thread (page 5, 31-01-09) made me unsure about this:
The law authorises, you, your wife or a kuasa to start the procedure and/or to pick up any documents. That's a fact.
However, by experience, I know that many immigration officer would deny it and say that only an indonesian sponsor can do it. It is plain wrong, but if one think about it, it is easy to find the reason why they say so:

Case 1. The foreigner is the one dealing with them.
If the foreigner is dealing with them directly, and do not speak bahasa indonesia, he can not answer to any questions they may ask and have the right and duty to ask (How are you living here, what are you doing here...:blabla:)
If the foreigner is dealing with them directly, do or do not speak bahasa Indonesia, they may be unconfortable to directly request money. The foreigner may not understand what they are talking about or could well answer in a very harsh manner, which is culturally shocking for them. On top of that, there is a legal and administrative risk for them. They are totally aware that our reactions are different from the one of an Indonesian. We are used to make noise when bothered and they are not confortable with it.

Case 2. The wife (indonesian sponsor) is the one dealing with them.
If she is the one dealing with them, then no problems of communication. On top of that, they feel definitively more confortable to ask for money, because they know that culturally, she wouldn't make a scandal... At least, in most of the cases, not in the same way than we, foreigners, would do. They can also be tricky (threats, nasty comments, machist attitude...etc) since they know that there is few chances that she officially complains, still because of cultural reasons.

Easy to see what is their preferences in between both choices. Personally, here is the way I deal with it.

To initiate a procedure, I go along with my wife. I fully explain her the law and the procedure and we talk a lot about it before. Attitude to adopt, things to say, at what point should I step in...etc. It often looks like a preparation to an interview.:) Hopefully, she now knows pretty much as well as me how it works. She is doing the talking while I shut up, stand and smile. If we are facing a friendly and competent pejabat/petugas, I remain cool, smiling and joking. However, if something remains unclear a bit too long for the pejabat/petugas, or if I have the feeling that he/she has not fully understood the meaning of sesuai peraturan, I then step in, shift to high speed and do the talkings myself. However I always remain polite and not too confrontational. At least at the beginning. Usually it gives fair results quickly and only in rare case it gets heated.
When I start a procedure, I try to bring with me any possible document one may requests, officially needed or not for the procedure I want to deal with (airlines ticket, bank statement, copies of passport and KITAS, akta perkwinan, kartu keluarga, SKTT, SKLD, NPWP, vaccination book of my dogs, recipes for cocktails...etc). The goal is to let no chance to ask for a paper that you haven't bring and to ask you to come back tomorrow. This "come back tomorrow with this paper" is a very common trick to get rid of an applicant who is not willing to enter the dirty game some like to play. They've rarely asked me to produce more than half of the documents I brought, but at least I have them ready, if they request to see them. But I know that if you show that you are prepared and if they realise it, they would loose the grip and the procedure should be smooth. If they are into the money (bribes), they usually want it fast. If they see that it's not gonna be fast, they often won't bother and just leave you alone.

When the procedure is already started, I deal with the rest of it mainly alone. This for three reasons.
The first one is that I want to avoid to my wife to waste her time in an administration waiting for a stupid set of documents. I usually just go there with my motorbike, ask for what I came for and if not ready just go back home and drop in the day after. I never wait.
The second is that I have fair command of bahasa indonesia and am fluent with my local dialek. It helps me a lot to deal with the procedure efficiently and the use of bahasa manado is undoubtedly a huge advantage: it makes me look sympathetic to any manadonese, even when I complain.
The third reason is that, should a petugas/pejabat try to mess with the documents, at this point of the procedure, I like to deal with it the "western way": sharp, straight to the point and somewhat crude. :) I know my wife wouldn't feel culturally confortable with it, and I wouldn't feel confortable knowing that she is unconfortable. Therefore I prefer to deal with it alone.

However this is a personal method, and I believe that anyone should find his/her own way to go through it. The important thing is to know the law and the procedure. The rest are details.



3. If so, how/where to obtain this Surat Kuasa, do I need to go to a notaris in order to get a legal one, or are there other ways to produce it?
4. Do you have a template of this "Surat Kuasa Khusus" available?
No need to be notarised. I will try to post the one I wrote and am use to submit (I always submit it, but to be honest, it has never been requested nor considered when I was picking up any of my documents. However it has always been requested when I've picked up documents for friends)



Almost last, if possible I would like to receive a copy of the law that deals with the (amended) mandatory 4 month waiting period that the KanIms so desparately cling on to.
Peraturan Pemerintah nomor 32 tahun 1994 (http://datalink.indonesia-ottawa.org/docs/pdf/i3.pdf) which is the general governmental regulation about visa, including the old article 48.
The amendment is found in the Peraturan Pemerintah nomor 38 tahun 2005 (http://www.bpkp.go.id/unit/hukum/pp/2005/038-05.pdf). Print both of them and make a consolidation.



Last but not least, fighting or writing if my KanIm chooses to keep ignoring the amended article despite the fact that I hold a copy of the Law I so patiently try to 'teach' them? …uhmm, as my patience like my desired KITAS has batas, I prefer writing ;-) What would you do?
Talk to the boss (at least the kepala seksi or kepala sub-seksi). Print the law found in the links, give him. Just point at the amendment found in the second link without commenting it. It will make it.

lelenk88
18-08-09, 19:59
Hi Atlantis,

We tried to call Jakarta DitJenim 20 times, still nobody answer.
And then i rang surabaya imigration (without mention the whole story), i asked her what is the procedure if for example the letter is lost/or cannot be traced,should i repeat the procedure from kanim again..- she just simply answer "I DON'T KNOW"
She suggesting me to call 021-108 to get DitJennim ph.no and ask bagian alih status.

OMG... vomit blood... and i can't imagine i still have to deal with them for the rest of my life due to cross culture marriage.

Atlantis, if i fax the light complaint today to Bapak Supriatna anwar, don't you think the liltle chances of the letter to reach at his hand? Im not very sure if he can help.. due to the whole currupt system.

I read lotsa article from KPC Melati center, and used to found their name Bapak cecep and bapak hari marsono as a sources of alih status keimigrasian. But Im not very sure if he can help.. due to the whole currupt system.

atlantis
18-08-09, 20:30
We tried to call Jakarta DitJenim 20 times, still nobody answer.
As I told you, you have to call them several time before that someone decide to answer. Try extension 2521 or 2514 (though you have better chance with the former). Try again tomorrow. Remenber that yesterday was 17 Agustus and in a few days Ramadan will start. They are not overactive at their normal pace, so you can imagine that they are not gonna be excessively zeleous in between two important events such as those one. :whistle:


She suggesting me to call 021-108 to get DitJennim ph.no and ask bagian alih status.
The phone number I gave you is the one of the DitJenIm and the extension is the one of the bagian alih status keimigrasian.

Atlantis, if I fax the light complaint today to Bapak Supriatna anwar, don't you think the liltle chances of the letter to reach at his hand? Im not very sure if he can help.. due to the whole currupt system.
I've never had a letter lost by the DitJenIm but it often took me one, two, several days before any people answered the phone in the sub-direktorat alih status! You have to be bloody patient and keep on insisting.


I read lotsa article from KPC Melati center, and used to found their name Bapak cecep and bapak hari marsono as a sources of alih status keimigrasian. But Im not very sure if he can help.. due to the whole currupt system.
Bapak Agastya Hari Marsono is Direktur Izin Tinggal dan Status Keimigrasian. He is a bit too high-ranking to be bothered. Hierarchically he is not far from the DirJen. Bapak Cecep is indeed Bapak Cecep Supriatna Anwar (his full name). He is the actual Kasubdit Alih Status Keimigrasian, the one overlooking the whole sub-direktorat alih status. Though he won't deal with the matter himself, he is the you will put as a recipient of your letter, but not before that you have found out if the Surat KanWil is lost or not. If it is not lost, and you say that it is, you are loosing credibility.

FYI, Bapak Cecep Supriatna Anwar is also the former Kepala Humas (Hubungan Masyarakat/Public relations) of the Direktorat Jenderal Imigrasi, before being promoted to the rank of Kasubdit Alih Status. One can imagine that he is used to hear complaints about Imigrasi...:whistle:

lelenk88
20-08-09, 11:29
FYI, Bapak Cecep Supriatna Anwar is also the former Kepala Humas (Hubungan Masyarakat/Public relations) of the Direktorat Jenderal Imigrasi, before being promoted to the rank of Kasubdit Alih Status. One can imagine that he is used to hear complaints about Imigrasi...:whistle:

Good day Atlantis, today i managed to call the ext you gave me, and someone pick up the phone and when i asked about the status of the application given my husband's details, whether the file has been registered..
Nicely he asked me to call a lady to check with her, and surprisingly it's Bpk. Cecep Soepriatna who is talking to me.. I thanked him as sources of information in the articles/seminar. He is a nice person from what i heard on the phone.

I just told him that not that i don;t want to go jakarta by myself, but is because im going to give birth soon and difficulties of my husband to speak in bahasa, also i could fax him the medical letter from my doctor. He said no problem with that, he could help me to send back SK dirjen to my address, once its ready to collect. I'm so glad to hear that even though i still prefer my friend to collect it with surat kuasa, it is much faster i guess..

After i rang the lady, she told me that Bpk.Cecep has given her an order to help me to check the status of my husband's file. She asked me whether i already send kanwil letter and when was that. Without mentioning the whole story, i just told her when the file was submitted and who is the receiver. She said she will try to find the file and requested me to sms the details of my husband and check again with her within few days.

Now there is a little hope to get it done.. but still i dont know how to think about the previous officer who rejected my husband's file whom until now insisting us to come to jakarta personally.. i have fax my medical letter & copy of kanwil's letter from the prev officer gave my friend.
Let's wait and see... Wish me luck..

Nescio
21-08-09, 10:17
Hi, allow me some more questions on the process of obtaining a KITAS sponsored by my Indonesian wife.

1. It's pretty clear to me now that we can do the whole process ourselves, KanIm - KanWil - DitJen Imigrasi JKT - KanWil - KanIm.

However the Petunjuk Pelaksanakan DItJen Imigrasi Nomor F-310.IZ.01.10 Tahun 1995 doesn't mention this, it only describes the sending/bringing of the relevant documents by the KaKaim to the KaKanwitl and by the KaKanWil to the DitJen vice versa.

Is there any official reference that states that I and/or my wife can do all this ourselves too?

2. My KaKaim gave my wife a list of necessary documents for the conversion. This list doesn't mention the Ryawat Hidup and the copy bankstatement. (We've never been asked for a copy bankstatement of my wife for the SosBud extentions).

List of docs to bring to my KaKaim:


Surat Keterangan Domisili suami, (yeah, that's me)
Akte Kawin
Kartu Keluarga
KTP
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a) I don't understand the Surat Keterangan Domisili. When it's the SKTT, I will only get one after I have my KITAS. Perhaps it is my last STM? Or an SKTT of my wife?

b) Regarding the Ryawat Hidup, I guess it needs to be in Indonesian ?

c) I understand that only copies of all these documents are needed so the originals will be returned by the KaKaim befor we go to the KanWil, is that right?

d) Do the copies need to be legalized copies ?

3. What if the process happens to take longer than the validity of my SosBud (I'm already 1 week over my third extension). Of course I would have to get a new SosBud in SIN I guess, but would that also imply I have to start the whole procedure all over again from the start , since I would then be on a new Sosial Budaya in Indonesia?


Thanks in advance for aswering my questions.

N.

lelenk88
21-08-09, 12:15
Hi, allow me some more questions on the process of obtaining a KITAS sponsored by my Indonesian wife.
1. It's pretty clear to me now that we can do the whole process ourselves, KanIm - KanWil - DitJen Imigrasi JKT - KanWil - KanIm.
However the Petunjuk Pelaksanakan DItJen Imigrasi Nomor F-310.IZ.01.10 Tahun 1995 doesn't mention this, it only describes the sending/bringing of the relevant documents by the KaKaim to the KaKanwitl and by the KaKanWil to the DitJen vice versa.
Is there any official reference that states that I and/or my wife can do all this ourselves too?
N.

yes, correct (KanIm - KanWil - DitJen Imigrasi JKT - KanWil - KanIm) and you can do the whole process by yourself.
as per prev post by Atlantis, Here is an excerpt of the Petunjuk Pelaksanaan DirJenIm nomor F-310.IZ.01.10 tahun 1995 tentang tata cara alih status keimigrasian:
"Permintaan alih status Izin Kunjungan diajukan oleh orang asing yang bersangkutan dan sponsornya atau kuasanya..." *




2. My KaKaim gave my wife a list of necessary documents for the conversion. This list doesn't mention the Ryawat Hidup and the copy bankstatement. (We've never been asked for a copy bankstatement of my wife for the SosBud extentions).
N.

From my experience and from what i understand, There is a list of Riwayat Hidup but this is not for those Individual sponsor applicant. Riwayat Hidup is for those who are working and sponsor by the company to obtain KITAS if not mistaken.
They never ask for the Bank statement in my case up to this stage of DitjeNim Jakarta, but i agreed with all prev post here is that to be prepared when they asked for it to avoid delay of the process of KITAS (i cant recall how much minimum income to be a sponsor). They might ask when we go back to Kanwil or Kanim.



a) I don't understand the Surat Keterangan Domisili. When it's the SKTT, I will only get one after I have my KITAS. Perhaps it is my last STM? Or an SKTT of my wife?N.

You answer is at the point 18 bellow,
Once your wife's KITAS issued, there are extra steps to be done.
go to point no 16-19 as mentioned by Atlantis:

16. At that point, it is advisable to ask for an "Izin Masuk Kembali" to be stamped in the husband passport. Without it, the KITAS holder "looses" his KITAS if he goes out of Indonesia. Better then to have it if you don't want to do it all over again.
See in the archives of this channel for the official fees attached to the Izin masuk Kembali.
17. You still need to process a SKLD (Surat Keterengan Lapor Diri) which is a trendy little plastic card with the husband's pic. There is no fee for it but the Intelkam boss will try to extort something from you. IDR 50K should do it. You have to go to your main Police Resort to get it sorted. You will also have to get a STM (Surat Tanda Melapor - no fee) stating your address. The person who gives shelter to the foreigner should be the one reporting and signing it.
18. The foreigner has to go to his Kantor Lurah to get a Surat keterengan domisili stating his formal address in Indonesia and he should bring this letter to his Catatan Sipil to get:


a SKTT (Surat Keterangan Tempat Tinggal)
a SKPPS (surat keterengan pendaftaran penduduk sementara)

a SKDLN (Surat Keterengan Datang dari Luar Negeri.

A foreigner staying on a KITAS MUST register at the Capil for the above documents. It will help smothen a KITAP procedure later. In fact, chances are that the CaPil compil the three documents and issue a nice greenish card attesting your residency and registration as a temporary resident for the length of the KITAS. Fees for it are defined by Peraturan Daerah and varies depending on each kota/kabupaten. It shouldn't cost more than IDR 150K.
Be careful you have 14 days to do so after the date of issuance of the KITAS (Pasal 20, undang undang 23 tahun 2006 tentang Administrasi Kependudukan) to register. Failure to do so in time would expose you to a fine of a maximum of IDR 2.000K (Pasal 89, undang undang 23 tahun 2006 tentang Administrasi Kependudukan).
19. Your next move will be to go to the Departemen Pajak to get a NPWP, the husband's personal tax number...



c) I understand that only copies of all these documents are needed so the originals will be returned by the KaKaim befor we go to the KanWil, is that right? N.

You need to bring along all of the original documents for them to validate in Kanim, but they will keep your wife original pasport (don't forget to legalised all the copies)



3. What if the process happens to take longer than the validity of my SosBud (I'm already 1 week over my third extension). Of course I would have to get a new SosBud in SIN I guess, but would that also imply I have to start the whole procedure all over again from the start , since I would then be on a new Sosial Budaya in Indonesia?
N.

SosBud (VKSB) can be extended as much as 4 times if im not wrong, and you may have 1 more time to extend in local imigration here in Indonesia.
In my case, its already took 1month to reach or at least not to be ignored by the officer DItjenNim in Jakarta (Thanks to Atlantis for his knowlegde:cell:) and its not yet done..
But if you can go to jakarta, it will much faster i guess..

So i suggest you better hurry.. Idul Fitri & Holiday are coming soon, it will much delay everything..
Good Luck...:bounce:

atlantis
25-08-09, 16:21
Is there any official reference that states that I and/or my wife can do all this ourselves too?
You obviously can do all the things by yourself. If they do it for you, this is even better: the law stipulates that the cost of a KITAS is IDR 700.000, with or without them being involved. I remind you that a PNS is not authorised to charge for his services or to act as a calo. Therefore their involvment as no influence on the biaya of the KITAS. With it in mind, you won't be surprised to find out that they see no objection for doing the entire procedure by yourself. If you can fill the forms for them it won't even bother them.

My KaKaim gave my wife a list of necessary documents for the conversion. This list doesn't mention the Ryawat Hidup
The Riwayat hidup is a mandatory document for a KITAS (Juklak F310 tahun 1995: "Daftar riwayat hidup yang memuat keterangan tentang riwayat keluarga, pekerjaan dan pendidikan orang asing yang bersangkutan.")
Just prepare it. If she wants it, fine. If she doesn't, fine also. By providing it you avoid that she asks you to come back with one.

and the copy bankstatement. (We've never been asked for a copy bankstatement of my wife for the SosBud extentions).
The law says that an applicant must have sufficient fund for the whole period of the intended stay. By providing a bank statement with such "sufficient" amount, an applicant suppress one of the very few reasons why a KITAS could be legally refused. However, if you don't have it, it ain't a mandatory document for the application. It is just a way to avoid any possible contestation or discussion.


a) I don't understand the Surat Keterangan Domisili. When it's the SKTT, I will only get one after I have my KITAS. Perhaps it is my last STM? Or an SKTT of my wife?

Either an STM or a real Surat Keterangan Domisili issued by your Kantor Lurah. This is just for them to make sure that you reside in the wilayah.



b) Regarding the Ryawat Hidup, I guess it needs to be in Indonesian ?
Yes it does. Simple one tho'. It ain't for a job application.:)


c) I understand that only copies of all these documents are needed so the originals will be returned by the KaKaim befor we go to the KanWil, is that right?
Correct. They may keep it a couple of days, time for them to write the letter for the KanWil


d) Do the copies need to be legalized copies ?

Normally not. They will have the originals anyway. No one has ever asked me legalised copies but it may vary depending on the mood of the Kakanim...


3. What if the process happens to take longer than the validity of my SosBud (I'm already 1 week over my third extension). Of course I would have to get a new SosBud in SIN I guess, but would that also imply I have to start the whole procedure all over again from the start , since I would then be on a new Sosial Budaya in Indonesia?
You would have to start all over again. However, you normally have time to complete the whole thing. It shouln't take more than 4 to 6 weeks.

lelenk88
27-08-09, 20:59
thanks Atlantis for your guidance.....:yield::lol: all my problems regarding the immigration issues has finally end...
Being so lucky that i managed to talked to Bpk. Cecep earlier by phone..he has helped a lot.. given the order to his assistant to deal with my application. within few days mystery has been solved. I just send the surat kuasa by fax to my relative to pick up SK dirjen, she said as given the approval provided medical letter that i faxed to her.
My hubbie got 1 yr KITAS (even though his passport still valid up to more than 3years from today) i guess the UU RI is no use.. they still can approve the application according to their own reasons n point of view...
UU RI stating that:

Pasal I
Beberapa ketentuan dalam Keputusan Menteri Kehakiman Nomor: M.02-IZ.01.10 Tahun 1995
tentang Visa Singgah, Visa Kunjungan, Visa Tinggal Terbatas, Izin Masuk dan Izin Keimigrasian
sebagaimana telah diubah dengan Keputusan Menteri Kehakiman Nomor: M.01-IZ.01.10 Tahun
2003, diubah sebagai berikut :
1. Ketentuan Pasal 18 diubah sehingga berbunyi sebagai berikut:
Pasal 18
(1) Visa Tinggal Terbatas untuk jangka waktu paling lama 6 (enam) bulan dapat
diberikan kepada pemohon visa dengan masa berlaku paspor sekurang-kurangnya 1
(satu) tahun.
(2) Visa Tinggal Terbatas untuk jangka waktu paling lama 1 (satu) tahun dapat diberikankepada pemohon visa dengan masa berlaku paspor sekurang-kurangnya 1 (satu) tahun
6 (enam) bulan.
(3) Visa Tinggal Terbatas untuk jangka waktu paling lama 2 (dua) tahun dapat diberikan
kepada pemohon visa dengan masa berlaku paspor sekurang-kurangnya 2 (dua) tahun
6 (enam) bulan.


now i waiting from the kanwil to get the letter and continue with kanim.

well... just follow the steps of atlantis threads..it works... just need to have some luck and patient
good luck to you all..:bounce:
for atlantis.. dont get bored to share your useful info's with us ;)
u r the best...

atlantis
27-08-09, 21:07
You are welcome.
From now on, the path is fairly easy. KanWil or KanIm can not give you any troubles, now that the SK is signed. Consider that your husband has already his KITAS. Just relax and give birth to a healthy little kid. :)
Get a MERP after the KITAS and do the required registration (SKLD & SKTT). Save a copy of all document. In a bit more than two yers your husband will be able to apply for a KITAP (5 years permanent residency permit).

modi_ani
30-08-09, 21:19
for get KITAS ...

Does the husband must stay 4 months in indonesia 1st ?

or after wedding directly he can get the KITAS ?

how about if he enter to indonesia using visa 60 days (no sponsor). ???

atlantis
01-09-09, 09:47
My hubbie got 1 yr KITAS (even though his passport still valid up to more than 3years from today) i guess the UU RI is no use.. they still can approve the application according to their own reasons n point of view...
UU RI stating that:

Pasal I
Beberapa ketentuan dalam Keputusan Menteri Kehakiman Nomor: M.02-IZ.01.10 Tahun 1995
tentang Visa Singgah, Visa Kunjungan, Visa Tinggal Terbatas, Izin Masuk dan Izin Keimigrasian
sebagaimana telah diubah dengan Keputusan Menteri Kehakiman Nomor: M.01-IZ.01.10 Tahun
2003, diubah sebagai berikut :
1. Ketentuan Pasal 18 diubah sehingga berbunyi sebagai berikut:
Pasal 18
(1) Visa Tinggal Terbatas untuk jangka waktu paling lama 6 (enam) bulan dapat
diberikan kepada pemohon visa dengan masa berlaku paspor sekurang-kurangnya 1
(satu) tahun.
(2) Visa Tinggal Terbatas untuk jangka waktu paling lama 1 (satu) tahun dapat diberikankepada pemohon visa dengan masa berlaku paspor sekurang-kurangnya 1 (satu) tahun
6 (enam) bulan.
(3) Visa Tinggal Terbatas untuk jangka waktu paling lama 2 (dua) tahun dapat diberikan
kepada pemohon visa dengan masa berlaku paspor sekurang-kurangnya 2 (dua) tahun
6 (enam) bulan.



Don't blame them for that, they are right.

It is perfectly legimitate from the KanIm to deliver a 1 year, and only one year KITAS to a foreign spouse of an indonesian citizen. 2 years KITAS are not allowed for KITAS 317 (which is the type of KITAS given to dependant spouse). It is allowed only for holders of:

KITAS 311: ("untuk keperluan bekerja seperti kerka ahli anggota World Trade Organisation")
KITAS 314: ("penanam modal asing")
KITAS 316: ("mengikuti pendidikan")
A KITAS delivered for alasan penyatuan keluarga (KITAS 317) is a 1 year KITAS not more. Which make sense since nowadays an annual assessment is not a bad idea if you consider the number of divorce...
The paragraph of law you have quoted is only one of the two conditions that define the length of a KITAS.
The above second condition is well detailed in a decree called Peraturan Direktur Jenderal Imigrasi nomor F-434 IZ-01.10 tahun 2006 tentang bentuk, ukuran, jenis dan indeks serta peneraan visa.
To have a clear and complete lecture of what immigration laws and procedure are, one have to go through hundreds of laws, bylaws, regulations and decrees.
To be honest, Imigrasi has a bunch of crappy guys but in my experience they always do everything in accordance to law when they are scrutinised. We can blame them for a lot of things, but believe me, when they are shown with the proper law or when they understnd that you know as well or better than them the law, they don't mess.




for atlantis.. dont get bored to share your useful info's with us ;)
u r the best...
Thanks. No worries, I am still far, very far from getting bored to learn and share.

atlantis
01-09-09, 10:26
for get KITAS ...

Does the husband must stay 4 months in indonesia 1st ?

or after wedding directly he can get the KITAS ?

how about if he enter to indonesia using visa 60 days (no sponsor). ???
I have answered to your questions in the thread you have initiated a couple of days ago:
http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.org/showthread.php?t=4354

However, here is an answer in english about your three questions above.

1. No, I repeat no, you are not forced to wait 4 months to get a conversion of a Sosbud in a KITAS. It is an error often made by the Kantor Imigrasi around the archipelago that shows that they ignore that the article 48 of the PerPem 32/1994 that was stipulating that one has to wait four months before being able to apply for a conversion of one's immigration status, has been amended in 2005. The amended article removed this mandatory delay. (cf post #1 of this thread)

2. As soon as one gets an Akta Perkawinan delivered by the Dinas Kependudukan dan Catatan Sipil or a Buku Nikah delivered by the KUA, one can start the procedure.

3. A tourist 60 days visa (without sponsor) is not extendable. Therefore it doesn't leave enough time to complete the whole procedure. It would be highly risky IMHO.

tingkap
01-09-09, 13:28
Just wondering, do you need to be physically present in Indonesia during the whole process of application?

I'm currently based in Singapore and travel back and forth every two weeks for now. I'm planning to apply a KITAS and quit my job ;)

In the meantime, would it be ok if I start my application and still travel back and forth?

atlantis
01-09-09, 13:48
Just wondering, do you need to be physically present in Indonesia during the whole process of application?

I'm currently based in Singapore and travel back and forth every two weeks for now. I'm planning to apply a KITAS and quit my job ;)

In the meantime, would it be ok if I start my application and still travel back and forth?
Bear in mind that it is a process of conversion of an immigration status to another immigration status. When one leaves Indonesia, without Izin Masuk Kembali (re-entry permit in case valid on a stay permit - KITAS or KITAP), it teminates one's current status. Therefore no conversion of it is possible... since it is terminated.
In short, you must be in Indonesia for the whole process.
Another way for you to apply however is a direct application of a KITAS in an embassy abroad. Your sponsor would have to start the procedure here in Indonesia, be interviewed by her KanIm and very possibly by the DitjenIm in Jakarta before that a telex is sent to the KBRI of your choice to pick up your KITAS. This procedure is different and is not a conversion of status.

lelenk88
04-09-09, 00:17
You are welcome.
From now on, the path is fairly easy. KanWil or KanIm can not give you any troubles, now that the SK is signed. Consider that your husband has already his KITAS. Just relax and give birth to a healthy little kid. :)
Get a MERP after the KITAS and do the required registration (SKLD & SKTT). Save a copy of all document. In a bit more than two yers your husband will be able to apply for a KITAP (5 years permanent residency permit).

:typing: sorry Atlantis.. What is MERP?

thx in advance..

atlantis
04-09-09, 07:52
:typing: sorry Atlantis.. What is MERP?

thx in advance..

MERP stands for Multiple Entry Re-entry Permit. Without it your husband can not go oustide indonesia without loosing his KITAS (It would terminate it and you would have to do the whole process all over again to get him a new KITAS). The correct name in Bahasa Indonesiais Izin Masuk Kembali. I have communicate the legal fees for it in several threads in the archives of this forum I believe.
However, if your husband has no reason to go out, it ain't mandatory. It may be wise to have one, just as a security, in case he needs to go out for an unplanned reason. It takes a few days to be issued, depending on the quickness of the KanIm. No trips to the KanWil or DitJenIm are required. Just a trip to the KanIm.

Chuckman
10-09-09, 04:22
Dear atlantis,

I've just joined the forum. I've been reading the messages in this thread with great interest. I want to join others in thanking you for the detailed information you posted on KITAS. I am married to an Indonesian wife and we live in Australia. Until recently we thought there was no way she could sponsor me for a long stay visa like KITAS. We kept asking why... After reading your posts, we made an inquiry to an Indonesian consultate general office and they confirmed that such change of immigration status is possible, although they don't provide the information publicly on their website. We are considering to move to Indonesia in a year or so.

One question that comes to my mind is, do you think this current arrangement is likely to stay? Is there a chance that the law could change? Thank you.

atlantis
10-09-09, 07:55
I've been reading the messages in this thread with great interest. I want to join others in thanking you for the detailed information you posted on KITAS.
Thanks. Really appreciated. Participating to this forum takes a bit of my free time and it is always nice to read that it can be useful for some, especially for those who stay far from Indonesia and for those who have less or even no ressources to unbiased informations. It is also very nice to see that more and more people become users and add to the number that can potentially help their fellows. Let me then welcome you warmly to the forum. :)


One question that comes to my mind is, do you think this current arrangement is likely to stay? Is there a chance that the law could change? Thank you.
Yes I do think it is likely to stay an I would even tell you that it may even change to more rights in the future. Not in an immediate future, but in a mid-term, say 5 to 10 years, we could have more nice surprises.
The reason why it is not gonna change are simple. This right to residency for a foreign spouse of an indonesian citizen is born with the new Citizenship Act enacted in August 2006 (UU nomor 12 tahun 2006). The article 19of this law, as well as quite a few others, was a real revolution for mixed couples. It has opened the door for both residency and citizenship to a foreign husband of an indonesian national. This right was existing for foreign wife of indonesian national but the reverse wasn't true, which was constitutionally arguable since there was no equity before the law and the government in between indonesian men and indonesian women who were choosing a foreign spouse. Before 1998, arguing that a law was not constitutional and was instauring discrimination among indonesians was not a wise idea. Soeharto gone, things started to improve and lobbies started to ask for a needed change. It is how kids born from mixed marriage had their automatic rights to citizenship recognised and the foreign husbands of indonesiesian wives had a right to residency and possible Indonesian citizenship granted.
This was a huge change and if one read the term of the law, one would quickly understand that this law put Indonesia in a one way track, with hopefully no u-turn possible. It gave the trend to a lot of other laws, regulations, decrees involving foreigners in 2007, 2008 and 2009. All have followed the same track to cope with a global world.
No chances to go backward. Make your move without bothering about this risk. It is inexistent. :wink:

Chuckman
10-09-09, 16:27
Dear atlantis,

Thank you for the information. That's a relief. I may have a few questions to ask you later on but I just wanted to say again how much you and this forum mean to my wife and I. She's just arrived in Indonesia to be with her family for the Ramadan occassion. Due to work commitments I will be joining her in 2 weeks time on a 30-day visa. I really cannot wait to see her family in Labuan. I haven't seen them for 3 years. There's nothing like spending time with family.

Tantori
06-10-09, 05:50
Hi,

I am new in this forum.
Glad I found this website, I have been lost for sometime.

My French husband wants to stay in Indonesia. I haven't read much all the posted information, only slightly.

Thanks to atlantis for the all informations he posted on this forum.
I may say, You are very very good for such person who doesn't originally come from Indonesia about Indonesian Law.

I hope I can get all clear information how to apply KITAS for my silly husband from this forum.

Bonne Journee
And I wish you all have a nice day

atlantis
06-10-09, 07:32
I am new in this forum.
Welcome to the forum then...:)


Thanks to atlantis for the all informations he posted on this forum.
I may say, You are very very good for such person who doesn't originally come from Indonesia about Indonesian Law.
You are welcome. Appreciated. In Indonesia there is this unwritten motto which says "know the law or get screwed". I have choosen my side long ago and did my homework.:)


I hope I can get all clear information how to apply KITAS for my silly husband from this forum.
It ain't difficult, especially if you are married. However it requires that you tell us a bit more about you guys or to ask specific questions. You can do it in french if you wish (and if you speak it and feel more confortable with it than english). I speak it reasonnably well and should be able to guide you through the procedure.



Bonne Journee
And I wish you all have a nice day
Bonne journée à toi aussi...

Tantori
07-10-09, 03:05
Hello atlantis



I couldn’t agree more, as you mentioned on your signature “Kami harus melakukan sesuai dengan persyaratan dan peraturan yang berlaku untuk Indonesia lebih baik “ in the same time you guys teach our government to stick with they own regulations.


understand how frustrated you guys specially for the beginner applicant. Compare to what my husband ‘s experience here when applied for my extension visa, it was not really complicated, only needed patience, as it took 8 months to get it, surprisingly I got PR instead of extension 5 years (under EEC regulation). Hoping being patience I can get the same thing when I apply KITAS for my husband ... duuuuh


But as sponsor of my husband I will find and deal with everything without agent being involved, specially when you have to renew KITAS for your husband every damn year... good idea to know What, Who, Where, and How. I am not really patience enough but with preparation like fasting Monday and thursday, meditation 24 hour a day, 7 days of week might reduce my temper... I hope ;p


FYI..I don’t speak French fluently, I feel comfortable speak English and Indonesian of course. English would do OK.


Currently we both live in UK, got married 5 years ago, but not registered our marriage in Indonesia (Now I regretted). At the moment we are in stage where I sent my English Marriage Certificate to Indonesian Embassy in London to be translated to Indonesian Language and asked for legal stamp in order to register our marriage once we are in Indonesia for KITAS application purposes as I have been told from this forum (correct me if I am wrong please).


The next step I read from this forum is my husband need to apply Visa SosBud to enter Indonesia, and I will be his sponsor. Dully noted..... but a little bit confused about the extension visa before I apply KITAS for my husband.


My understanding is before 7 days visa sosbud expired, my husband need to submit application for extension visa so he will have plenty of time when his KITAS in process. But why he can only extend the visa every 30 days? How does it work along with KITAS application processing ? Will you be so kind to explain to me ?


The next step, I guess will deal with Police, Catatan Sipil, Lurah, RT/RW once my Husband's KITAS approved, I will look through again this section along with information I got from you.


Many many thanks in advance for your great help and support.

tingkap
08-10-09, 23:04
Hi,

I am preparing to launch my KITAS ikut isteri application next month. Just a few questions...

a) Can I produce a return ferry ticket (Batam-Singapore) instead of a flight tix to Jakarta?

b) Any format needed for the Riwayat Hidup document or a translated CV would suffice?

c) Anyone have experience dealing with the KanIM for Jakarta Pusat? - as my wife is staying at Jakarta Pusat...

d) Any tips..?

atlantis
09-10-09, 02:29
a) Can I produce a return ferry ticket (Batam-Singapore) instead of a flight tix to Jakarta?
Any return/onward ticket would do (airlines/ferry), but I doubt that they bother to ask. As a Sosbud visa holder I had it requested by the Imigrasi quite a few time while entering Indonesia via Soekarno Hatta, but I never heard about anyone asking to produce a return/onward ticket for the conversion of an Izin kunjungan to an ITAS. Not bad to have it though in case someone ask it...


b) Any format needed for the Riwayat Hidup document or a translated CV would suffice?
No specific format. Once again, though this one should be mandatory, it is not always requested. A simple Riwayat Hidup, with your details such as profession and education, mention of your wedding (dates, place)...etc. Keep it relevant to your request. No need need for much details, it is not an application for a KITAS tight to a work in Indonesia.


c) Anyone have experience dealing with the KanIM for Jakarta Pusat? - as my wife is staying at Jakarta Pusat...
Jakartan KanIm are not known to be among the most difficult. You are too close to the central power for them to dare some real nasty work.

atlantis
09-10-09, 02:40
Currently we both live in UK, got married 5 years ago, but not registered our marriage in Indonesia (Now I regretted). At the moment we are in stage where I sent my English Marriage Certificate to Indonesian Embassy in London to be translated to Indonesian Language and asked for legal stamp in order to register our marriage once we are in Indonesia for KITAS application purposes as I have been told from this forum (correct me if I am wrong please).
You're correct. First step will be the registration of your marriage. Without it, you are officially not married in Indonesia... theefore you have no husband to sponsor.

My understanding is before 7 days visa sosbud expired, my husband need to submit application for extension visa so he will have plenty of time when his KITAS in process. But why he can only extend the visa every 30 days? Simply because it is the law. Extension for sosbud are granted for 30 days at a time. However, if you start the conversion of the sosbud to an ITAS immediately upon entering Indonesia, there is good chance that you need no extension (the initial 60 days given on a sosbud are enough to complete the whole procedure) or eventually 1 extension of the sosbud maximum.



How does it work along with KITAS application processing ? Will you be so kind to explain to me ?
These are two independant procedure. Your husband will enter on a sosbud for 60 days. Immediately afer entering, start the procedure to convert is izin kunjungan (sosbud) in an ITAS. If the pocedure is completed in the delay of 60 days, no need to worry about the extension of the sosbud (the ITAS will replace the SosBud). If it isn't completed in the delay of 60 days, make sure you keep extending the SosBud untill your huband receive his KITAS. As soon as he receives it, th sosbud is terminated and you don't need to worry about it.

Tantori
09-10-09, 03:43
You're correct. First step will be the registration of your marriage. Without it, you are officially not married in Indonesia... theefore you have no husband to sponsor.

Thank you for your confirmation atlantis



These are two independant procedure. Your husband will enter on a sosbud for 60 days. Immediately afer entering, start the procedure to convert is izin kunjungan (sosbud) in an ITAS. If the pocedure is completed in the delay of 60 days, no need to worry about the extension of the sosbud (the ITAS will replace the SosBud).

OK, which mean as soon as he landed, the next day he can apply ITAS immediately


If it isn't completed in the delay of 60 days, make sure you keep extending the SosBud untill your huband receive his KITAS. As soon as he receives it, th sosbud is terminated and you don't need to worry about it.

I assumed my husband no need to submit his original passport since you said he will need to extend his visa if the process take more than 60 days while his ITAS in process.

merci beaucoup (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/merci_beaucoup)

atlantis
09-10-09, 03:49
OK, which mean as soon as he landed, the next day he can apply ITAS immediately
Correct. They may tell you that he needs to "wait 4 months". This is wrong. The law article of law requesting to "wait for months" has been amended and the waiting period reduce to nil, meaning that you can start the procedure as soon as he arrives in Indonesia. If they insist on him waiting, I will forward you the relevant text of law.


I assumed my husband no need to submit his original passport since you said he will need to extend his visa if the process take more than 60 days while his ITAS in process.
He will need to show it when initiating the procedure, but they will give it back after having verify it. Same goes for all documents you will be requested to produce: KTAP, akta perkawinan...etc. All original documents must be shown.

Tantori
09-10-09, 04:22
Correct. They may tell you that he needs to "wait 4 months". This is wrong. The law article of law requesting to "wait for months" has been amended and the waiting period reduce to nil, meaning that you can start the procedure as soon as he arrives in Indonesia. If they insist on him waiting, I will forward you the relevant text of law.

Noted, If no trouble, can you forward me the relevant text of law as soon as you have time.


He will need to show it when initiating the procedure, but they will give it back after having verify it. Same goes for all documents you will be requested to produce: KTAP, akta perkawinan...etc. All original documents must be shown.

Great ! thank you so much for all information atlantis.
I will keep you update and perhaps we might have additional information re process of My husband's KITAS for this forum.

tingkap
09-10-09, 23:36
Thanks atlantis...

btw, just realise one thing.. my wife's KTP still states her as single but we are married here legally and got our buku nikah...

do we need to change the data on her KTP first before I start with the KITAS application? or with the buku nikah its more than suffice...




Any return/onward ticket would do (airlines/ferry), but I doubt that they bother to ask. As a Sosbud visa holder I had it requested by the Imigrasi quite a few time while entering Indonesia via Soekarno Hatta, but I never heard about anyone asking to produce a return/onward ticket for the conversion of an Izin kunjungan to an ITAS. Not bad to have it though in case someone ask it...

No specific format. Once again, though this one should be mandatory, it is not always requested. A simple Riwayat Hidup, with your details such as profession and education, mention of your wedding (dates, place)...etc. Keep it relevant to your request. No need need for much details, it is not an application for a KITAS tight to a work in Indonesia.

Jakartan KanIm are not known to be among the most difficult. You are too close to the central power for them to dare some real nasty work.

atlantis
10-10-09, 13:05
Thanks atlantis...

btw, just realise one thing.. my wife's KTP still states her as single but we are married here legally and got our buku nikah...

do we need to change the data on her KTP first before I start with the KITAS application? or with the buku nikah its more than suffice...
If the petugas imigrasi thoroughfully check the papers you guys hand him he may question it and it may result in a delay in the application. It is very difficult to gauge the probability that something like that happen. Competent, meticulous petugas imigrasi are a rare breed and you must be unlucky to bump on one. However, shit happens so I would advise you to have your wife's KTP changed. It would be too bad to waste time in the middle of the process just because of it.

umm.yasin
12-10-09, 17:00
"9. You, or any relative (holding a "Surat Kuasa Khusus" from you), should pick the Keputusan DitJen directly from the Sub-Direktorat Alih Status Keimigrasian."

So anybody i would hand out an "surat kuasa khusus" from me should get it?
does this surat need a special form or does anybody could provide a sample of it how it should look like to work properly?

how are the experiences here for that case that somebody else picks up the Keputusan DitJen. Did you call before, if its ready or how much estimated time does it take for the relative or friend to pick it up at the kantor?
DitJen can not send it back directly to my place via Tiki if i include the cash for it with all my papers???
...just wonder how it works, cause of money and circumstances (with 3 kids, accomodationen, flights and everything) are a bit difficult and would be nice to avoid going to jakarta....

and another question concerning moving to indo soon: do i need my personal birth certificate somewhere in the process and would the international form be enough if so? just wonder if i should translate it into indonesian language while still in germany (would be easier here for me as overthere) ...

tingkap
04-11-09, 22:00
Hi Everyone,

I just want to share my recent experience at KanIm Jakarta Pusat this morning.

I was asked to produce the following:

1) Request letter from the wife to convert my Sosbud visa to KITAS
2) Wife KTP + copies
3) Wife KK + copies
4) My passport with copies of biodata page and Sosbud visa + entrance endorsements
5) Marriage cert (buku nikah) + copies

Anyone has a sample request letter for this purpose? Wish me luck guys... Its my 1st DIY KITAS... I will gather all the documents and be back there on Monday...

atlantis
04-11-09, 22:17
I've quickly written you a simple one... Ask your wife to correct any possible grammatical mistake. Fill the blanks with your data.


Perihal: Permohonan alih status dari izin kunjungan menjadi izin tinggal terbatas a/n "Tingkap"



Dengan hormat,

Saya yang bertanda tangan di bawah ini:

Nama: Isteri Tingkap
Tempat/Tgl Lahir:
Pekerjaan
KTP Nomor:
Alamat:

Memohon kepada Bapak kepala imigrasi untuk dapat memberikan alih status dari izin kunjungan menjadi izin tinggal terbatas atas nama suami sah saya, adapun datanya sebagai berikut:

Nama: Tingkap
Tempat/Tgl Lahir:
Paspor Nomor:
Kebangsaan:
Alamat:


Demikian permohonan ini saya buat kiranya mendapat perhatian dari bapak kepala imigrasi di "kota tingkap" dan atas kerja sama yang baik saya pemohon mengucapkan banyak terima kasih.

Tanda tangan Isteri Tingkap

tingkap
05-11-09, 05:51
Thanks a bundle Atlantis, seems like you never fail to be so resourceful...




I've quickly written you a simple one... Ask your wife to correct any possible grammatical mistake. Fill the blanks with your data.

tingkap
25-11-09, 17:11
Hi All,

I just want to share my experience in going about my KITAS application...

Monday: Went to Kanim Jakarta Pusat at Kemayoran to submit application. (No Fees collected)
1) Submit application with the documents (photocopies) below;
a) Surat Permohonan alih status dari Izin Kunjungan ke Izin Tinggal
(Request letter to convert Sosbud visa to an ITAS)
b) KTP isteri (Wife's KTP)
c) Wife's Kartu Keluarga (Wife's Family census card)
d) Buku Nikah (Marriage book)
e) Passport
Tuesday: Collected letter from Kanim Jakarta Pusat for KanWil and Subdit Alih Status (No Fees)
Wednesday: Submitted letter from Kanim JakPus to Jakarta KanWil in the morning and collected letter from Kanwil to Subdit Alih Status after lunch. (No fees YET.)
Submitted all letters to Subdit Alih Status at Jln HR Rasuna Said and met with Pak 'R.S'.... Was told to include Birth Certificate of my children and of a 'fee'. When asked 'How much?' They reply was... 'Later....'

Will update more....

Anyone knows how much is the 'Fee' at Subdit Alih Status?

ohmdafyd
25-11-09, 19:41
Hi All,

I just want to share my experience in going about my KITAS application...

Monday: Went to Kanim Jakarta Pusat at Kemayoran to submit application. (No Fees collected)
1) Submit application with the documents (photocopies) below;
a) Surat Permohonan alih status dari Izin Kunjungan ke Izin Tinggal
(Request letter to convert Sosbud visa to an ITAS)
b) KTP isteri (Wife's KTP)
c) Wife's Kartu Keluarga (Wife's Family census card)
d) Buku Nikah (Marriage book)
e) Passport
Tuesday: Collected letter from Kanim Jakarta Pusat for KanWil and Subdit Alih Status (No Fees)
Wednesday: Submitted letter from Kanim JakPus to Jakarta KanWil in the morning and collected letter from Kanwil to Subdit Alih Status after lunch. (No fees YET.)
Submitted all letters to Subdit Alih Status at Jln HR Rasuna Said and met with Pak 'R.S'.... Was told to include Birth Certificate of my children and of a 'fee'. When asked 'How much?' They reply was... 'Later....'

Will update more....

Anyone knows how much is the 'Fee' at Subdit Alih Status?

Obviously, whatever he thinks he can extort from you...:whistle:

atlantis
26-11-09, 21:02
As far as I know it is the latest information...
I'm sure Atlantis would have updated it if required.
There is in fact a newer set of fees lited in the Peraturan Pemerintah nomor 38 tahun 2009 but NO CHANGE/INCREASE have been done on KITAS/Sosbud fees. A KITAS is still IDR 700.000 for the whole procedure, to be paid at the Kanim upon issuance of it. Strictly nothing has to be paid at the different offices in between the application at the KanIm and the issuance of the KITAS. The KanWil and/or the Subdit Alih Status are not authorised to collect any fees in the procedure.


Submitted all letters to Subdit Alih Status at Jln HR Rasuna Said and met with Pak 'R.S'.... Was told to include Birth Certificate of my children and of a 'fee'. When asked 'How much?' They reply was... 'Later....'
Anyone knows how much is the 'Fee' at Subdit Alih Status?

Pak "R.S"... How funny. Last time I've met him was a funny one. He invited me to enter his office, close the door and was obviously waiting for money. He tried to "intimidate" me by just ignoring me, acting as if I wasn't in the office, and from time to time just staring at me without saying anything. I just kept smiling, saying nothing myself but showing him that I was confortable with the silence. After ten or fifteen minutes of this little game, he declared that he was tired, put his feet on the desk, and started to take a nap... I just told him in Indonesian that it was such a good idea, asked politily to remove a few paper from his desk, crossed my arms on the desk and put my head in it as if I also wanted to take a nap. I could hardly refrain from smiling when I saw the surprise on his face. In less than a minute he then signed all the documents, with no fee asked and told me to get out of the office.
As I said earlier, no fees should be paid.

tingkap
08-12-09, 17:07
Hi Atlantis,

I just got my Surat Keputusan DitJen just now... Apparently, my file was kept by Pak R.S. in his office while waiting for 'additional documents' from me. Last week, I dropped by to submit 'additional documents' and as he was not in office Ibu H, helped me to locate my file in his office and sent my file on the process route.

Anyhow, I went to pick up my SK just now, met up with the Kasubdit Izin Tinggal with the help of the wife's family member (who I happen to share my experience with). Happen to see Pak R.S. before seeing the Kasubdit Izin Tinggal. He doesn't seem too happy to see me.

During the meeting with the Kasubdit Izin Tinggal, learnt that Pak R.S. will soon be transferred out. Ibu H then delivered my SK after the meeting with the Kasubdit and all is well....

all4ywh
08-12-09, 18:59
Hi Atlantis,

I just got my Surat Keputusan DitJen just now... Apparently, my file was kept by Pak R.S. in his office while waiting for 'additional documents' from me. Last week, I dropped by to submit 'additional documents' and as he was not in office Ibu H, helped me to locate my file in his office and sent my file on the process route.

Anyhow, I went to pick up my SK just now, met up with the Kasubdit Izin Tinggal with the help of the wife's family member (who I happen to share my experience with). Happen to see Pak R.S. before seeing the Kasubdit Izin Tinggal. He doesn't seem too happy to see me.

During the meeting with the Kasubdit Izin Tinggal, learnt that Pak R.S. will soon be transferred out. Ibu H then delivered my SK after the meeting with the Kasubdit and all is well....

Tingkap & others with recent KITAS experience,

Was this meeting with the Kasubdit Izin Tinggal the interview part of the application process?

I ask because today my wife & I visited the KanIm in North Jakarta to follow up on my request for a 1st extension on the Sosbud. While eating lunch at a nearby restaurant, one of the KanIm officals recognized my wife and asked if i am her husband. A friendly conversation proceeded with another offical joining in. My wife took the opportunity to ask about the KITAS application process. A point was made by both these officials that I will experience a difficult interview based on my age (36) and why I am not currently working in or out of the nation, instead being sponsored by my pregnant wife. My wife stated that we have sufficient savings to live on, although she will continue her work during the pregnancy, and we have money invested in a few small businesses in Indonesia (the officials reminded us that I cannot be involved with those :tape:) - not lucrative enough to justify a working permit sponsorship for me. After hearing this, both officials stood by their previous comments about my potential KITAS interview.

Can anyone confirm the validity of the comments by these officials or provide any other insight? In my search of this forum, and specifically of this thread, I found a couple of posts that stated that age is not an issue with the KITAS application but I have not read any posts about the "interview" experience.


Thanks,
Andy

ohmdafyd
08-12-09, 20:38
Tingkap & others with recent KITAS experience,

Was this meeting with the Kasubdit Izin Tinggal the interview part of the application process?

I ask because today my wife & I visited the KanIm in North Jakarta to follow up on my request for a 1st extension on the Sosbud. While eating lunch at a nearby restaurant, one of the KanIm officals recognized my wife and asked if i am her husband. A friendly conversation proceeded with another offical joining in. My wife took the opportunity to ask about the KITAS application process. A point was made by both these officials that I will experience a difficult interview based on my age (36) and why I am not currently working in or out of the nation, instead being sponsored by my pregnant wife. My wife stated that we have sufficient savings to live on, although she will continue her work during the pregnancy, and we have money invested in a few small businesses in Indonesia (the officials reminded us that I cannot be involved with those :tape:) - not lucrative enough to justify a working permit sponsorship for me. After hearing this, both officials stood by their previous comments about my potential KITAS interview.

Can anyone confirm the validity of the comments by these officials or provide any other insight? In my search of this forum, and specifically of this thread, I found a couple of posts that stated that age is not an issue with the KITAS application but I have not read any posts about the "interview" experience.


Thanks,
Andy

Andy, as far as I'm concerned and I strongly suspect my opinion would be backed up by Atlantis, they are just trying it on. I am not aware of any age related criteria with regard to obtaining a KITAS.
You are legally entitled by Law to obtain a KITAS providing you can prove you will have enough funds to support yourselves.
Be very careful with this issue if you are in any way involved with the business's, this is just the ammunition they need to extort you to the max, not to mention possible deportation and being blacklisted for a period of time.

tingkap
08-12-09, 22:43
Hi Andy,

Don't worry and be confident... There is no age factor in obtaining a KITAS... The 'interviews' are mainly to check whether the required documents are intact. Although some officials may cook up some tricks in order to make you believe that you really need their help.

From my own recent experience, I was not asked for a single document to prove whether or not I have any or enough funds but I was only asked verbally on that.

Anyway, some people just don't get it that it is possible to survive without work. Like one official who still insist that its better for me to get a company/association sponsored visa instead. I just told him that I want to be on a wife sponsored KITAS first and will be looking around for legal work later.

all4ywh
08-12-09, 23:31
[QUOTE]Andy, as far as I'm concerned and I strongly suspect my opinion would be backed up by Atlantis, they are just trying it on. I am not aware of any age related criteria with regard to obtaining a KITAS. You are legally entitled by Law to obtain a KITAS providing you can prove you will have enough funds to support yourselves.yes Om, this would be the initial conclusion based on the participating parties in the conversation. However, the reason for my post is that it was a surprisingly genuine conversation, especially between my wife and the female official, with the official commenting that it would be quite disheartening to get the KITAS process going and then be rejected at the interview. The female official concluded by saying that i should restart my employment search (she cunningly remarked that an English teaching job should be no problem...fyi, i have been down that path already here and the contract was amicably desolved early as i have no desire to work in that occupation) or we should pursue a working permit sponsorship by one my wife's businesses - i remarked about that low potential in my earlier post.


Be very careful with this issue if you are in any way involved with the business's, this is just the ammunition they need to extort you to the max, not to mention possible deportation and being blacklisted for a period of time. Ohhhh yes, this is clearly understood - i leave any room where my wife is thinking, planning or making decisions! :faint: However, what a very frustrating situation when we have the desire and spirit to invest our own savings here while creating jobs for native Indonesians, but yet as a foreigner i am required (and from my view punished) by having to seek working sponsorship to be involved in our investments and legally reside here. But of course, without that requirement that is another Rp12 million+ annually that the federal coffer does not receive...

With that thought and the beneficial changes in laws for foreigners in recent years, does anyone know of any lobbying being done about this situation of foreigners residing here and investing in/creating businesses?

ohmdafyd
08-12-09, 23:37
[QUOTE=omdafyd;50146]

yes Om, this would be the initial conclusion based on the participating parties in the conversation. However, the reason for my post is that it was a surprisingly genuine conversation, especially between my wife and the female official, with the official commenting that it would be quite disheartening to get the KITAS process going and then be rejected at the interview. The female official concluded by saying that i should restart my employment search (she cunningly remarked that an English teaching job should be no problem...fyi, i have been down that path already here and the contract was amicably desolved early as i have no desire to work in that occupation) or we should pursue a working permit sponsorship by my wife - i remarked about that low potential in my earlier post.

Ohhhh yes, this is clearly understood - i leave any room where my wife is thinking, planning or making decisions! :faint: However, what a very frustrating situation when we have the desire and spirit to invest our own savings here while creating jobs for native Indonesians, but yet as a foreigner i am required (and from my view punished) by having to seek working sponsorship to be involved in our investments and legally reside here. But of course, without that requirement that is another Rp12 million+ annually that the federal coffer does not receive...

With that thought and the beneficial changes in laws for foreigners in recent years, does anyone know of any lobbying being done about this situation of foreigners residing here and investing/creating businesses?


Andy, if it was me, and I know a certain Mod who takes the same attitude, I wouldn't be averse to advising my wife in regard to her business ventures.
I think Immigrasi would have a hard time proving anything or making a case out of that, in any event how could they possibly know.

PS, I still think they are trying it on, they are very, very well experienced in having friendly conversations, a bit like the 'long con'...
Why don't you ask this helpful female to point out the actual regulation that she says might preclude you from obtaining a KITAS.

either way good luck mate.

all4ywh
08-12-09, 23:42
Hi Andy,

Don't worry and be confident... There is no age factor in obtaining a KITAS... The 'interviews' are mainly to check whether the required documents are intact. Although some officials may cook up some tricks in order to make you believe that you really need their help.

From my own recent experience, I was not asked for a single document to prove whether or not I have any or enough funds but I was only asked verbally on that.

Anyway, some people just don't get it that it is possible to survive without work. Like one official who still insist that its better for me to get a company/association sponsored visa instead. I just told him that I want to be on a wife sponsored KITAS first and will be looking around for legal work later.

Thanks tingkap for the prompt response! Some questions:

1. Did you recently relocate to Indonesia?

My situation is that I have been here for 30 weeks - I originally arrived on a working permit sponsored by a school - as mentioned in my post to om, that ended after 4 months and I have been on a Sosbud since.

2. During the interview were you asked about your plans for the next year while living here?

3. Any question about why you are not desiring to work now or comment about your age?

beebop
09-12-09, 08:54
I arrived here on a sosbud in march 2009. I converted to a wife sponsored kitas via a 317 visa a few months later. No interviews and my age is 31. They never asked for any proof of funds either. The only sweat is that you have to exit to singapore for a few days. I guess it depends alot on luck too.

ohmdafyd
09-12-09, 09:22
I arrived here on a sosbud in march 2009. I converted to a wife sponsored kitas via a 317 visa a few months later. No interviews and my age is 31. They never asked for any proof of funds either. The only sweat is that you have to exit to singapore for a few days. I guess it depends alot on luck too.

Indeed Beebop we remember your process well.
Your experience, highlights the differences in approach by different staff and offices around the Country.
Your successful application, tho' not without it's stresses if I remember rightly, should encourage others.
I know you were fully informed before and during your application, and supported by people in this forum which I trust helped both you and your wife to some degree.

As mentioned many times in this forum, having at least a working knowledge of the regulations goes a long way in dealing with corrupt and misleading Orang Immigrasi.

Just for clarification the 317 Visa does require an exit and re entry to complete the process, but as Atlantis has clearly stated this is not compulsory at all, just easier for those who work in the Kantor Immigrasi you have to deal with. The conversion from Sosbud to KITAS can and is often processed within Indonesia.

tingkap
09-12-09, 17:36
Thanks tingkap for the prompt response! Some questions:

1. Did you recently relocate to Indonesia?

Yes. I entered on a Sosbud visa end of Nov.

My situation is that I have been here for 30 weeks - I originally arrived on a working permit sponsored by a school - as mentioned in my post to om, that ended after 4 months and I have been on a Sosbud since.

2. During the interview were you asked about your plans for the next year while living here?

There's no formal interview. No guidelines either, it depends on your luck and whether you look confident or not.

There is no legal basis for age or funds. The wife sponsored KITAS is given solely on 'Humanitarian grounds' in juncture of adjoining oneself with one's family (Wife and/or Kids). This is clearly stated on my Surat Keputusan DirJen Imigrasi which grants me the KITAS (Just got it yesterday!)

3. Any question about why you are not desiring to work now or comment about your age?

Nope. Although a comment made about my age though... I'm 31... I was told that I am too old for the visa... Haha.. I just correct him politely that I am applying for a Wife Sponsored Visa not a Parent Sponsored Visa... I guess once you know some basics of the law, they will back down... ;)

tingkap
09-12-09, 17:51
Dear All,

Update on my conversion from a Sosbud visa to a KITAS.

I got my Surat Keputusan DirJen yesterday, authorizing the KaKanwil to instruct the KaKanim to grant me a 1 year KITAS on 'Humanitarian grounds' of adjoining oneself to one's family.

Went to KanWil in the morning and submit the letter from DirJen. Waited for an hour and got the letter to the Kanim (No Fees paid, but politely requested whether I can wait for it to be done - Maybe the guy is in good mood today).

Went to the Kanim with both letters from DirJen and KanWil and proceed with photograph taking and finger printing.

Total costs I paid so far;
KITAS: Rp.700,000
Fingerprinting: Rp.15,000
Digital photo: Rp.55,000
Photos submitted for application: Rp.30,000

Total: Rp.800,000

Other costs would be transportation, food and Pulsa... No unofficial fees paid... Not even to encourage anyone to type faster... ;)

I will be going to the Kanim again on Friday to pick up my KITAS, Blue book and passport... I will also apply for the Multiple Re-Entry Permit on Friday which would cost me another Rp.1,000,000. Hope all goes well for me on Friday!

Just for the record... I need not leave the country to proceed with the KITAS conversion... I directly request for a conversion from my Sosbud to an ITAS.

all4ywh
09-12-09, 23:34
Excellent and encouraging updates! If this is the route that we choose to take and after my wife updates her KTP, then I will be making a visit to KanIm Jakarta Pusat as well...

atlantis
10-12-09, 02:53
Sorry not to have found time to "come in" earlier.
As it has been said, absolutely no age requirement for a KITAS sponsored by an indonesian wife/husband. Just the fact that you are married to a national is enough and no one could reject an application on an age motivation. The residency right for a foreign husband/wife is also indirectly guaranteed by the citizenship act of 2006 which grants a right to citizenshipfor a foreign spouse after five years of residency.
Age is a dtermining factor only for a retirement KITAS. No PNS would take the risk of "rejecting" a KITAS sponsored by an indonesian spouse.Furthermore, the people you would met have no power to accept or reject your application. Only the Direktur Izin Tinggal dan Status keimigrasian has this power... and he knows well the law. Marriage certificate + enough fund = NO refusal. Period.

tingkap
10-12-09, 07:09
Excellent and encouraging updates! If this is the route that we choose to take and after my wife updates her KTP, then I will be making a visit to KanIm Jakarta Pusat as well...

Hi,

Is your wife's registered address (KK and KTP) falls under Jakarta Pusat area? If so, procceed on to Jakarta Pusat Kanim. If not, they 'MIGHT' try to 'push' you to go to your local Kanim.

(Sorry, I'm assuming this as in your previous post you said that you went to Jakarta Utara Kanim).

I'm not too sure whether there is a regulation on this...

If you are going to Jakarta Pusat Kanim for your KITAS, remember to do your stretching exercises... coz you are going to go up and down the stairs often... :faint:

Btw, my wife did not update her KTP to show a change a marital status... but as Atlantis once said... you won't want any delays during your KITAS application due to this...

all4ywh
10-12-09, 21:56
Hi,

Is your wife's registered address (KK and KTP) falls under Jakarta Pusat area? If so, procceed on to Jakarta Pusat Kanim. If not, they 'MIGHT' try to 'push' you to go to your local Kanim.

(Sorry, I'm assuming this as in your previous post you said that you went to Jakarta Utara Kanim).

I'm not too sure whether there is a regulation on this...

If you are going to Jakarta Pusat Kanim for your KITAS, remember to do your stretching exercises... coz you are going to go up and down the stairs often... :faint:

Btw, my wife did not update her KTP to show a change a marital status... but as Atlantis once said... you won't want any delays during your KITAS application due to this...


We attempted to first apply at KanIm Pusat (we live only 2 km from KanIm Pusat, compared to 10 km from KanIm Utara) for the Sosbud 1st extension but the KanIm official strongly referred us to go to Utara in Kelapa Gading (we had no idea it existed) after looking at the address on my wife's KTP (Kelapa Gading)...ughhh...I have inquired with her before about updating her KTP with our current address as her understanding had been that it was not necessary because she changed addresses within North Jakarta. But now she is motivated to update to avoid any hassle with a KITAS application! :wink:

Which leads me to another question about updating the address on the KTP while currently holding a Sosbud that I will post here: http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.org/showthread.php?p=50537#post50537

tingkap
18-12-09, 06:35
Hi All,

I have completed my KITAS and Re-Entry permit process. Now I got my POA (Blue) book with my KITAS, the only hiccup was that they won't allow me to get a full year Re-Entry permit except for a 6-month one. Wasn't bothered to argue and left the place and hopefully not return for the next 6 months....

I also had my KIP (Kartu Izin Penduduk) done and will collect it next week. Interestingly, I can get photos from the Koperasi at the Immigrasi for my KIP. FYI, this is the same set which was taken for the KITAS & Fingerprinting... (No Extra fees). I hope what they tell me is true... as I never see them personally hand the photos over to the CAPIL loket.

Will go down to the Polisi on Monday to get my SKLD done.....

EndahPra
21-01-10, 16:41
Hi all, need help here. We jst got a letter fr Local Kanim on the proccess of Alih Status fr SosBud to Itas but Local Kanim hold my husband passport? They gave us 2 set of photocopy with stamp on it to bring it to Kanwil n Ditjen in Jakarta. I thought we need the passport to show it to Kanwil n Ditjen and do they have the right to hold my husband passport for it? Thanks

atlantis
21-01-10, 17:42
Hi all, need help here. We jst got a letter fr Local Kanim on the proccess of Alih Status fr SosBud to Itas but Local Kanim hold my husband passport? They gave us 2 set of photocopy with stamp on it to bring it to Kanwil n Ditjen in Jakarta. I thought we need the passport to show it to Kanwil n Ditjen and do they have the right to hold my husband passport for it? Thanks

You don't need your husband's passport neither in the KanWil nor in the DitJenIm. No worries. The KanWil will take the two letter, keep one and give you a new letter along with the one remaining from the KanIm. This new set of letters should be brought to DitJenIm.
Consider yourself lucky, you have just been promoted Postman... :lol:

Yes, they have the right to hold your husband passport during the procedure. They sometimes do, sometimes don't. My KanIm is now not keeping anyone's passport since the day the building of the POA section burnt down with a few passport inside...

EndahPra
24-01-10, 21:03
Thks Atlantis, we went to Kanwil Bandung last friday n that 'Pejabat' said that we hv to provide a copy of letter fr my husband embassy that we submitted to KUA before we got married which is 4 yrs ago....WTF??? He said after that then i get a letter so i'll be back tmrw to Kanwil with that copy. Good thing that KUA was so nice to lend us the letter so we can make a copy of it and i also ask KUA to legalized the copy of Buku Nikah....just in case. So...you think that 'Pejabat' try to get $$$$ fr us? Is anyone hv same experienced at Kanwil Bandung? I stil dont know why Kanim n Kanwil never ask abt Riwayat Hidup. Do you hv sample of Riwayat Hidup? So far I only paid for copy, materai n 'map'....not even fee for the form that i hv to filled.

atlantis
24-01-10, 21:32
Thks Atlantis, we went to Kanwil Bandung last friday n that 'Pejabat' said that we hv to provide a copy of letter fr my husband embassy that we submitted to KUA before we got married which is 4 yrs ago....WTF??? He said after that then i get a letter so i'll be back tmrw to Kanwil with that copy. Good thing that KUA was so nice to lend us the letter so we can make a copy of it and i also ask KUA to legalized the copy of Buku Nikah....just in case. So...you think that 'Pejabat' try to get $$$$ fr us? Is anyone hv same experienced at Kanwil Bandung? I stil dont know why Kanim n Kanwil never ask abt Riwayat Hidup. Do you hv sample of Riwayat Hidup? So far I only paid for copy, materai n 'map'....not even fee for the form that i hv to filled.

1. About the demand from the KanWil it is not over surprising. They sometimes demand extra documents concerning the marriage but it is rare. I have heard that some people were requested to submit legalised copies of their akta perkawinan, a certificate from the foreign embassy stating than the foreigner is not married overseas...etc. It just prove the lack of confidence that Pejabat have in their own indonesian administration... They know very well that in Indonesia anyone can get a marriage certificate without even being married! Sometimes, especially if they don't know the couple, they may ask a bit more than the legal requirements.
2. The forms are always "free". It would be illegal for them to ask money for the forms. Instead they ask money for the "map" (folder) where one put the forms. It allows them to say that you didn't buy the forms but the "map"/folder only. Note than the "map" is compulsory. Smart and not illegal. And anyway this is only small money.

Al.Gray
06-02-10, 02:40
This might be all hypothetical, but just in case.........I'm curious, due to one thing and another (please don't all ask at once what those things might be, as it's a bit of a touchy situation and would open a whole new can of worms....or even a whole new thread....better than any sinetron, for sure).........Is it at all possible to get a divorce from one woman, then to marry another, have the new one sponsor me for a new KITAS, without leaving the country? - more of a wife conversion than a KITAS conversion. If it is, what steps and money might be involved? A pejabat in Bandung quoted Rp 10 juta, while a pejabat in Jogja quoted Rp5 juta, though I havern't got to the bottom of that yet, it's confusing, somewhat. Wife-swapping conduses me too, unpredictable creatures at times.....present company excepted, naturally.

On the other hand.....maybe it's time to cut and run

tingkap
06-02-10, 07:54
This might be all hypothetical, but just in case.........I'm curious, due to one thing and another (please don't all ask at once what those things might be, as it's a bit of a touchy situation and would open a whole new can of worms....or even a whole new thread....better than any sinetron, for sure).........Is it at all possible to get a divorce from one woman, then to marry another, have the new one sponsor me for a new KITAS, without leaving the country? - more of a wife conversion than a KITAS conversion. If it is, what steps and money might be involved? A pejabat in Bandung quoted Rp 10 juta, while a pejabat in Jogja quoted Rp5 juta, though I havern't got to the bottom of that yet, it's confusing, somewhat. Wife-swapping conduses me too, unpredictable creatures at times.....present company excepted, naturally.

On the other hand.....maybe it's time to cut and run

Well... IMHO... do one thing at a time.... close the case of the current KITAS/wife... return everything... KITAS, SKLD (all the documents containing the current wife's name)... fly out of the the country... get a Sosbud with the new wife as sponsor.... get married legally.. convert to a new KITAS with the new wife as sponsor..... etc etc...

Legal fees should be standard... Rp.700k for KITAS + other miscellaneous fees... but other costs of the divorce may be high in terms of emotionally, physically and money...

marcus
06-02-10, 18:26
..Is it at all possible to get a divorce from one woman, then to marry another,... what steps and money might be involved?
If you married at the KUA (Muslim) , divorce at "Pengadilan Agama" (Religion Court) may cost as low as about Rp250.000 ( the case I know took just 3 weeks but the couple was already separated more than 3 years and there was no litigation ) . To marry at KUA , not sure yet as the officer said : "depends on how much documents you have" , but seems to be around Rp1 million .

marcus
17-02-10, 10:41
... I literally made the trip just to make payment and have to come back again another day for collection of the MERP. I don't understand why can't we make the payment after the submission?...
Unfortunately this procedure is not only for MERP but probably for everything . In my many years dealing sosbud extensions , they only ask me to pay before the boss sign the passport . Many times the boss was not at the office or the officer thought it would take long time , so I had to just do the payment and return the following day .

Pimpin
17-02-10, 16:25
I would rather pay them the first day. If they refuse my application then they give it back with my passport the second and final day I go in. That would mean during the first extension they would have to walk 20 meters to the photographers room to confirm my photo was in the system and possibly make one photo copy of the stamp. Thats the reason they make me come in the second time and then the third.

Btw, know anyone who has ever been refused an extension on a Sosbud? Me neither.

tingkap
17-02-10, 18:31
I would rather pay them the first day.

Who wouldn't? It irritates me that they accepted my application today, come back the following day to just make a payment and back on another day to collect everything.......

atlantis
18-02-10, 08:44
I don't understand why can't we make the payment after the submission?


Unfortunately this procedure is not only for MERP but probably for everything . In my many years dealing sosbud extensions , they only ask me to pay before the boss sign the passport . Many times the boss was not at the office or the officer thought it would take long time , so I had to just do the payment and return the following day .
The legal reasons for it are simple:
1. Any application is a "permohonan": it is a request which is made, and the acceptation or refusal come after assessment. In indonesian culture a prepayment would mean a de facto acceptation. And they for sure don't want it this way.
2. The payment must intervene after the assessment BUT before the final autorisation given by the KaKanIm because the payment is a legal condition for the issuance of an extension/a visa/ a permit...etc
The procedure is decribed as follow:
a. Application
b. Assessment
c. Payment
d. Autorisation/Issuance

Reimboursement of a fee would be a real headache from the little I know of the accountancy of penerimaan negara bukan pajak. (non fiscal income such as immigration fees or any legal fees levied by the various ministeries)

CFesnoux
18-02-10, 11:04
I have been looking through the different threads, and I may have skimmed over some valuable information. However, I hope you don't mind if I ask my own question?

I am a Canadian living now in Vancouver, and my husband is an Indonesian citizen living/working in Bali. Joshira (my husband) has applied for Canadian Permanent Residence, but has to stay in Indonesia (or at least out of Can) for the duration of the application process. Since the application process may take up to 2 years to complete (it has been a few months already), I have decided to travel to Indonesia to wait with him for a few months to a year. I have my plane ticket already for the end of April and it is extendable for up to a year.

In August 2009, we were wed in Vancouver, Canada. It was a civil marriage. I understand that civil marriages are not recognized in Indonesia, however, Joshira and I registered it here at the Indonesian Consulate in Vancouver. I have the marriage certificate and it does not state what kind of marriage it was. My first question: are we legally married in Indonesia??

My second question is: what is the process for me to obtain a one year visa?
I have asked the Indonesian Consulate in Vancouver and they said that my husband needs to get a letter of approval from the Indonesian Government. Also, "ashayu" from the second page of this forum shared her experience and it looked similar to what we would have to go through (or so according to the consulate in Van). What exactly does my husband need to do in order to get that letter of approval, and who does he send it to?

Third question: how much will the whole process take? I read RP 7 00 000 ... is that approximately $80.00 USD? I saw on the Van website it was $120.00 for a non-working 1 year visa. That sounds good to me, but I just need to know how to get there...

And finalllly (sorry for all the questions), how long will the process to obtain the letter take? The Indo Consulate in Van said 2 working days for the actual processing (for their part).

I would really appreciate any help I could get (atlantis... looks like you have a reputation :)).

Thank you,
Charlotte

marcus
18-02-10, 11:23
..Btw, know anyone who has ever been refused an extension on a Sosbud? Me neither...
In 7 years dealing myself with all my extensions , they never refused any of my applications neither I ever heard about any person's application being refused .

atlantis
18-02-10, 11:47
In August 2009, we were wed in Vancouver, Canada. It was a civil marriage. I understand that civil marriages are not recognized in Indonesia, however, Joshira and I registered it here at the Indonesian Consulate in Vancouver. I have the marriage certificate and it does not state what kind of marriage it was. My first question: are we legally married in Indonesia??
Yes, you are on your way to be legally married under Indonesian law. In a delay of 30 days after he returns to Indonesia, your husband will have to report the wedding to either tha Dinas kependudukan dan catatan sipil or the KUA (depending on his religion). It will complete the procedure and will open you rights to temporary residency.


My second question is: what is the process for me to obtain a one year visa?
Look at post #1 in this thread. Replace the word husband by "wife" and the word wife by "husban"d when you read them in the thread and you have it. It seems to me the more suitable in your situation. It leaves you a bit of time to evaluate if you want to stay up to or more than 1 year in Indonesia.


I have asked the Indonesian Consulate in Vancouver and they said that my husband needs to get a letter of approval from the Indonesian Government.
It is a slightly different way of getting temporary residency, by first seeking a VITAS from the embassy with the sponsorship of your husband and a prior agreement from the DitJenIm in JKT. After entering in Indonesia and receiving an entry stamp, you would have to organise your KITAS and all the necessary documents (SKLD, SKTT, buku POA) quite quickly. Not a good way to "acclimatise", imho.

Also, "ashayu" from the second page of this forum shared her experience
Ashayu is a "he". Long hair tho' :wink2:

More later...

CFesnoux
18-02-10, 12:41
[QUOTE=atlantis;61195]
Yes, you are on your way to be legally married under Indonesian law. In a delay of 30 days after he returns to Indonesia, your husband will have to report the wedding to either tha Dinas kependudukan dan catatan sipil or the KUA (depending on his religion). It will complete the procedure and will open you rights to temporary residency.

Hmm, Jossie has been home since October 09. Does this mean that he can still report? He is Muslim, but he had a civil marriage in Canada... does this matter? To me it wouldn't, but obviously that doesn't count much...


Look at post #1 in this thread. Replace the word husband by "wife" and the word wife by "husban"d when you read them in the thread and you have it. It seems to me the more suitable in your situation. It leaves you a bit of time to evaluate if you want to stay up to or more than 1 year in Indonesia.

How long does this process take? How difficult?

It is a slightly different way of getting temporary residency, by first seeking a VITAS from the embassy with the sponsorship of your husband and a prior agreement from the DitJenIm in JKT. After entering in Indonesia and receiving an entry stamp, you would have to organise your KITAS and all the necessary documents (SKLD, SKTT, buku POA) quite quickly. Not a good way to "acclimatise", imho.

I agree, this doesn't sound like the best road to take. Plus, I just want to keep my options open really up to one year. However, we may just be in Indo for 4 months. It is really depending on the state of my VISA and the state of his PR to Canada.

Thanks for your help by the way

CFesnoux
18-02-10, 13:02
Hi again, excuse my constant picking, but I feel if you must do something properly you need all the details :D

I re-read your first post. It is extremely well detailed (I commend you), although I don't know all the abbreviations, but I get the gist.
What would my steps be then, here/now (in Vancouver)? Jossie (my husband) needs to properly register our marriage in Indo (do I need to send him the original marriage certificate from the Indonesian Consulate in Vancouver and the Canadian one)? And will I need to get a Social-Cultural Visa? Then when I get to Bali, those (your post 1 list) are the steps that Jossie and I will need to take? How much is that process approximately in USD? I keep seeing the RP 700 000... that is ~ $80.00 USD?

Charlotte

CFesnoux
22-02-10, 02:42
Look at post #1 in this thread. Replace the word husband by "wife" and the word wife by "husban"d when you read them in the thread and you have it. It seems to me the more suitable in your situation. It leaves you a bit of time to evaluate if you want to stay up to or more than 1 year in Indonesia.
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^^ that was a quote from Atlantis on pg 22. I don't know how to quote it properly...

Atlantis, just a few more questions

I think I will do things this way (entering the country on a SosBud, then upgrading to a Kitas). The important thing is that we need to make sure our marriage is properly registered in Indonesia. Our marriage has been registered with the Indonesian Consulate in Vancouver, and we have a certified translation of the marriage certificate. Would the next step be registering our marriage with the KUA (he is Moslem but our marriage was Civil), or the Kantor Catatan Sipil? I think we will have to pay the fine because he has been in Indo since October 2009, but we should still be able to register it? As well, should he register it in Ubud (or Denpasar) where is is working, and I will be living, or Jakarta (his home town).

And one last thing, I found that "if the wife (me) is the foreign spouse, the legal situation is totally different." This is according to: http://www.expat.or.id/info/mixmarriages.html#expat%20women
It looks like you are already familiar with that website from previous messages. So, would I still do things the way you suggested in your earlier post?

Thank you,
Charlotte

Momma Mia
22-02-10, 07:09
Where is his KTP registered? Has he officially moved to Bali? If so, they may not like you living in a different area. Years ago I was advised to just stay stum when I lived in a different town to where my KITAS was issued.

I would have thought that it will be a CatSip registration, unless you are muslim too, in which case then maybe you could reg at KUA.

CFesnoux
22-02-10, 10:28
Thanks Momma Mia.

I think his KTP is registered in Tangerang (just outside of Jakarta). He was born there, but his family now lives in Depok. I will be living with him in Ubud, and we wont be living in Java. As well, he got a residence card of some sort for Ubud and his status is married. I don't know if that helps or means anything.

He just called the Catsip in Denpasar (he has an appointment there later on today). He doesn't have the documents I think he will need to register it, I do. But, we just wanted to make sure we knew everything he would need to register our marriage before I sent anything to him. Do you know how long the process will take to register it? And is that the last step in registering the marriage?

Also, I will be coming to Bali on a SosBud. I will want to upgrade it to a Kitas once I am there. Is the process fairly straight forward? Is it any different for a foreign wife rather than a foreign husband?

CFesnoux
22-02-10, 23:16
My husband just got back from the CatSip, and they told him that an abroad Civil marriage can't be registered in Indonesia, but they can still use the marriage document I have from the Indonesian Consulate in Vancouver to get my Kitas (when I get here).

Does this sound normal? It doesn't sound too tough, but I am still skeptical. Maybe it will be easier because I am the foreign wife?

If anyone has any comments regarding such matters, please let me know! I just don't want to arrive there and find out that I should have been more prepared.

Thank you

tingkap
24-02-10, 16:00
Thanks Momma Mia.

I think his KTP is registered in Tangerang (just outside of Jakarta). He was born there, but his family now lives in Depok. I will be living with him in Ubud, and we wont be living in Java. As well, he got a residence card of some sort for Ubud and his status is married. I don't know if that helps or means anything.

He just called the Catsip in Denpasar (he has an appointment there later on today). He doesn't have the documents I think he will need to register it, I do. But, we just wanted to make sure we knew everything he would need to register our marriage before I sent anything to him. Do you know how long the process will take to register it? And is that the last step in registering the marriage?

Also, I will be coming to Bali on a SosBud. I will want to upgrade it to a Kitas once I am there. Is the process fairly straight forward? Is it any different for a foreign wife rather than a foreign husband?


My husband just got back from the CatSip, and they told him that an abroad Civil marriage can't be registered in Indonesia, but they can still use the marriage document I have from the Indonesian Consulate in Vancouver to get my Kitas (when I get here).

Does this sound normal? It doesn't sound too tough, but I am still skeptical. Maybe it will be easier because I am the foreign wife?

If anyone has any comments regarding such matters, please let me know! I just don't want to arrive there and find out that I should have been more prepared.

Thank you

This is one of the annoying red tapes here in Indonesia... If your husband's KTP is registered elsewhere, MOST local officials would try their best to refer ALL processing to be done at the local offices where his KTP is registered. Try ask your husband to visit the Immigration Office (KanIm) and ask whether they would accept the marriage document from the Indonesian Consulate in Vancouver.....

ohmdafyd
24-02-10, 17:48
Once again, different office, different information given, so typical!
My partner checked with our local CatSip and it's not a problem at all registering an overseas marriage, all they want is for the Indonesian embassy in the Country we were married in to certify the wedding certificate is genuine.... Frankly I can't see how they can't recognise the marriage!

CFesnoux
24-02-10, 23:01
Once again, different office, different information given, so typical!
My partner checked with our local CatSip and it's not a problem at all registering an overseas marriage, all they want is for the Indonesian embassy in the Country we were married in to certify the wedding certificate is genuine.... Frankly I can't see how they can't recognise the marriage!

I can't either! But, they tend to make things more difficult than need be. Even with the consulate here, I was getting mixed messages on who (me or my husband), could register our marriage. Four different people somehow had a different answer. And in the end it was quite straight forward.

Another thing that was brought to my attention in a different thread, how is it that I use my Canadian citizenship rather than my American one? I don't have my Canadian passport, only my American one, so I was going to use that for everything, ie SosBud, Kitas, travel, etc. But, I was told that it may complicate things since we were married in Vancouver, and that they would ask "where is your Canadian citizenship?". On the marriage certificate (both Canadian one, and the Indo Consulate one), it only says when/where we were born, nothing about our citizenships. I was born in the USA, so I don't see the problem in using my American passport for everything... but again, who knows? Any thoughts??

muzza123
19-03-10, 12:00
hi everyone, I here am on sosbud visa, will be expired next month. Thanks for Atlantis and everyone in this forum, I've got enough info to start my first KITAS 317( sponsored by wife). However, my wife KTP is in Cirebon area, but I will try to go to Ditjen Imigrasi in Kuningan, see what happened(I reckon they'll tell me to go to Kanim Cirebon). anyway, I'll keep it posted.

tingkap
20-03-10, 12:34
hi everyone, I here am on sosbud visa, will be expired next month. Thanks for Atlantis and everyone in this forum, I've got enough info to start my first KITAS 317( sponsored by wife). However, my wife KTP is in Cirebon area, but I will try to go to Ditjen Imigrasi in Kuningan, see what happened(I reckon they'll tell me to go to Kanim Cirebon). anyway, I'll keep it posted.

So are u planning for a conversion from a Sosbud to an ITAS? Well... I am very sure that you will be asked to a KanIm Kelas I (Class 1 Immigration office). Its procedural... KanIm -> KanWil -> DitJen. Unless you want to apply for a VITAS, which means that you need to do a visa run and rushed to get your KITAS done as soon as you enter with the VITAS.

muzza123
20-03-10, 15:54
So are u planning for a conversion from a Sosbud to an ITAS? Well... I am very sure that you will be asked to a KanIm Kelas I (Class 1 Immigration office). Its procedural... KanIm -> KanWil -> DitJen. Unless you want to apply for a VITAS, which means that you need to do a visa run and rushed to get your KITAS done as soon as you enter with the VITAS.

Pardon me tingkap, Iam kinda newbie in this KITAS,ITAS,VITAS matter.

ohmdafyd
20-03-10, 18:10
Pardon me tingkap, Iam kinda newbie in this KITAS,ITAS,VITAS matter.

Have a look at the link below on the main sister site for further information, and in terms of the anacronyms, there is a thread specifically for that somewhere. No need to apologise, they confound many of us, and take a while to get used to...

http://www.expat.or.id/info/info.html

muzza123
21-03-10, 13:07
Thanks omdafyd. One question though, We stay in Casaluna residence and we will stay in Jakarta(I haven't find a place yet) for 1 Year, If I go to Kanim Cirebon, then my address will be just like in my wife's KTP? how's that work?
is there anyone familiar with Kanim Cirebon?

atlantis
21-03-10, 13:14
So are u planning for a conversion from a Sosbud to an ITAS? Well... I am very sure that you will be asked to a KanIm Kelas I (Class 1 Immigration office). Its procedural... KanIm -> KanWil -> DitJen. Unless you want to apply for a VITAS, which means that you need to do a visa run and rushed to get your KITAS done as soon as you enter with the VITAS.
A little mistake here. One doesn't have to start the conversion procedure in a Kantor Imigrasi Kelas I but in the one of the wilayah of residence of his/her sponsor. KanIms (Kantor Imigrasi) are classified in between 4 categories, depending on their importance:
- Kantor Imigrasi Kelas I Khusus (there is 7 of them in the archipelago)
- Kantor Imigrasi Kelas I
- Kantor Imigrasi Kelas II
- Kantor Imigrasi Kelas III
Therefore it doesn't need to be started in a Kantor Imigrasi Kelas I absolutely but in the KanIm of the wilayah of residence of the applicant and his/her sponsor. In Muzza 123's case, the wilayah of residence of his sponsor being in CIrebon, it should be started there... and Cirebon has a rather OK Kanim... which is a Kantor Imigrasi kelas II.

atlantis
21-03-10, 13:18
Thanks omdafyd. One question though, We stay in Casaluna residence and we will stay in Jakarta(I haven't find a place yet) for 1 Year, If I go to Kanim Cirebon, then my address will be just like in my wife's KTP? how's that work?
is there anyone familiar with Kanim Cirebon?

Have your wife issued a new KTP with your definitive Jakartan residence then before starting the procedure. Much easier. If not, you will be involved in more administrative procedure (you will have to have your buku POA amended, new STM & SKLD...etc)
Cirebon's KanIm is from what I've experienced above the average. I've been indirectly involved with them for a KITAS stuff and it looked smooth.

muzza123
21-03-10, 13:42
Have your wife issued a new KTP with your definitive Jakartan residence then before starting the procedure. Much easier. If not, you will be involved in more administrative procedure (you will have to have your buku POA amended, new STM & SKLD...etc)
Cirebon's KanIm is from what I've experienced above the average. I've been indirectly involved with them for a KITAS stuff and it looked smooth.
Thanks Atlantis. If Kanim Cirebon is 'smooth', then I'll be there on monday and get my Kitas done and get the new STM,SKLD and POA later in jakarta.

atlantis
21-03-10, 13:51
If you start in KanIm Cirebon, you will also have to deal with KanWil JaBar in Bandung and DitJenIm in Jakarta. Your schedule is gonna be tough if your SosBud finishes soon. If you wait that your wife changes her KTP (and a probably a new sosbud if you run out of time), you will have to do everything in Jakarta.

marcus
01-05-10, 15:53
Conversion of a single entry Visa Kunjungan Sosial Budaya/Keluarga (= Visa Social Cultural/Family = Sosbud Visa) into a KITAS (both must be sponsored by the same person) .

It took 31 days to get the KITAS :

1) Went to the city's local immigration office and asked for the forms for "konversi Izin Kunjungan ke ITAS" at the forms counter , bought related folder (Rp10k) at their cooperative store , and asked the officer at the "ITAS , ITAS perpanjangan ,.." counter for the required documents .

2) Returned to the city's local immigration office (KanIm) and presented the following :
a) Passport + 3 copies of the relevant pages of the it (including the Sosbud Visa + extensions + Indonesia arriving date stamp) ,
b) Departure card (passport's attachment) , 3 copies only ,
c) Sponsor's Letter + 2 copies ,
d) Form "Surat Permitaan dan Jaminan" + 2 copies
e) "Formulir Perpanjangan atau Konversi Izin Kunjungan" + 3 copies
f) Other forms of the conversion package + 3 copies.
g) Sponsor's (wife) KTP and family card (Kartu Keluarga) , 3 copies only
h) Marriage certificate/book , 3 copies only
i) "Surat Bukti Pendaftaran Orang Asing" (normally issued at the second sosbud visa extension), 3 copies only
j) 4 photos 3cm X 4cm (no restriction on background color , but later , the Police required red background)

Note : better bring the document's originals also as the officer may like to see them .

3) Returned to the city's local immigration office 4 days later , received 2 envelopes , one to be delivered to the Province's immigration office (Kantor Wilayah , KanWil) , the other to be kept at home until item 9 below (to the Jakarta's main office) .

4) Went to the Province's immigration office and delivered one of the envelopes from the city's immigration office ,

5) Returned there to get their "ok" letter . The officer asked me to bring the sponsor (my wife) and my country's Embassy "Izin Kawin" (Permit to Marry) document .

6) I returned with my wife and the translated (English and Indonesian) notarized document in which I stated my "not married" early condition (before marrying my Indonesian wife) . The officer told me that the Indonesian Law requires the Embassy's permit . I told him that my country's law does not require any government's permit to marry and so my Embassy refused to issue it , so I brought the Statement which is used in my country and was accepted by Indonesian marriage office .
The officer requested us to bring our marriage officer for an interview . My suggestion to just call the marriage office was refused .

7) We returned with the marriage officer . The immigration officer asked the marriage officer to provide him an official letter explaining why the marriage book had a signature of the ex-minister , not the present one .

8) We returned with the requested marriage office's letter and after waiting , finally I got the Province's immigration's envelope addressed to Jakarta's main immigration office (after one week dealing with this regional immigration officer) . And at the end the referred immigration officer told me I would have to pay (him??) later . I didn't ask him for any detail , just said ok .

9) My wife went to the main immigration office in Jakarta (Jl. H. R. Rasuna Said KAV. 8-9 , Jakarta - Selatan 12940) to deliver the 2 envelopes from the 2 immigration offices , local and regional . The officer at the "Izin Tinggal dan Status Keimigrasian" asked again for the Embassy's "Izin Kawin" (Permit to Marry) document . I faxed him the notarized statement mentioned before . No further question .

10) I went to city's immigration office 8 days before my sosbud visa extension expired and asked immigration if I should request the extension as I would not know when Jakarta's main office would give the "ok" letter . The section boss told me I could not have 2 different process at the same time . I had to believe as they kept my passport for the KITAS process and they would not release it for the sosbud extension process .

11) About 10 days after going to Jakarta's main immigration office , their officer sent a "sms" informing the letters were ready and asking if we wanted him to send them by mail , but by mail it would take a long time to arrive (meaning he would send by normal mail). I regretted not have given him a fee paid express post return envelope when my wife went there .

12) My wife returned to Jakarta to get their 3 envelopes (one for each of the immigration offices , and , I could not believe , one for us . The officer kindly waited her a little after the office working hours .

13) I went to the Province's immigration office to deliver one the envelopes from Jakarta . My sosbud extension would expire in 6 days but I was not worried about it anymore .

14) Some 5 hours later I returned there to receive their envelope to the local immigration office . A different officer asked me if the other officer who gave us a hard time (fortunately he was not there) had told me anything . To save me time and headache I just told him :"nothing" .

15) Went to the city'sl immigration office the next day to deliver the 2 envelopes , one from Jakarta's main office and the other from the Province's office . Paid Rp700k + Rp55k (for digital photo) + Rp15k (for the digital fingerprints) , all specified in a single receipt . The strange thing is that for the second sosbud extension they also took digital photo and fingerprints but all for Rp15k . The only difference is that this time they printed the digital photo in the KITAS , a very low quality photo with a black "foto" word appearing over my face . I could provide 8 better 2cmx3cm paper photos for just Rp12k.

16) Returned to the city's immigration office one week later to receive my passport with a "ITAS" stamped in it , the KITAS , and the "Immigration Control Book"/"Buku POA" (also known as blue book) . The KITAS was issued 7 days after the initial validity of it (the date of the Jakarta's "ok" letter) . And my sosbud had already expired before the KITAS issuance but after the Jakarta's "ok" letter , and there was no problem with this fact .

17) Complementary documents :

a) My wife (my sponsor and also the owner of the house where we live) went to the nearest Police office and asked for the "Surat Tanda Melapor"(STM) and "Surat Keterangan Lapor Diri"(SKLD). They asked for the photocopies of : my KITAS/passport , and her identification card (KTP) for the STM and I should go there to take the fingerprints and bring 3 photos 3cmx4cm .
Note : The STM is to be requested by the owner of the house where the foreign lives , and the SKLD is to be requested by the sponsor of the KITAS

b) The next day we went there , requested the STM , I had fingerprints taken twice . Got one fingerprint card to be delivered to the Province's Police office (PolDa) for the SKLD.

c) My wife went to the Province's Police office and came back with a form and a list of the required documents/photos : sponsor's letter , the fingerprints card , photocopies of : passport , KITAS , STM , buku mutasi (immigration control book) and marriage document , + 3 photos 4cm x 6cm + 3 photos 3cm x 4cm , red background .

d) My wife returned to the local Police the next day to receive the STM .

e) My wife went to the Province's Police office to deliver the documents/photos . They said the SKLD would be ready in 2 weeks to 2 months .
(My wife went there more than 2 months later , official fee : Rp100k )

f) I went to city's "Dinas Kependudukan dan Pencatatan Sipil" (or simply Catatan Sipil) and asked about the "Surat Keterangan Tempat Tinggal"(SKTT) . The officer (indicated by their co-workers) started remembering what were necessary. I showed what I had and he picked : copies of : KITAS, passport , STM , marriage certificate , some photos 2cm x 3cm , residency statement signed by both Kelurahan and Kecematan . This last was old and he said a new one was required , even the address being the same . The price was Rp250k . I told him I wanted a receipt . In this case the price changed down to Rp150k . To pay when the document is ready .

g) I went to Kantor Kelurahan and they requested a new letter from the RT/RW besides copies of passport , KITAS , marriage certificate , Kartu Keluarga and STM .

h) Went to Bapak RT with a copy of passport an KITAS , he gave me a residency statement in 10 minutes , went to Bapak RW and got his signature in the statement in 5 minutes . No fee .

i) Returned to the Kantor Kelurahan with all the required documents. Got the "Surat Keterangan Serba Guna" stating my address , in about half of a hour . Asked how much . "Up to you" was the answer .

j) Went to Kantor Kecematan to complete the signatures in the document from Kelurahan . They said the statement from Kelurahan was lacking the purpose of it . I complained , then they added the purpose (for a SKTT) in the kelurahan statement and signed it . No fee .

k) Went to Catatan Sipil to deliver the address statement from Kelurahan/Kecematan to the same officer I talked to before . The documents were already ready : "Kartu Identitas Domisili Sementara" and "Surat Keterangan Susunan Keluarga Pendatang (SKSKP) Orang Asing" . The officer entered the cashier room , filled a receipt of Rp150k , signed , asked something to the Ibu responsible for the cashier counter and left . I asked Ibu for her signature in the receipt and warned her I would check with the boss if the value was indeed correct . Ibu didn't want to sign and went out to look after the officer . Both of them returned and the officer told me I don't need to pay . So I didn't pay anything . No tip also .

l) NPWP .

lintjo
18-06-10, 16:24
I'm so glad I found this forum. Thank u guys for taking time to share your experiences. I'm trying to get KITAS for my husband as well. It didn't work well when I asked my staff to go to KanIm for some information. He kept told my staff to asked my husband to go to Malaysia to get Visa Berdiam Sementara (VBS) and change to KITAS afterward. He also told my staff the fee is about 6 million rupiah. If I have to spend that much money, I better off hire an agent and do nothing at all.

marcus
18-06-10, 21:06
I suppose your staff didn't ask the information to the correct officer . There is a specific place at the immigration for ITAS (VITAS/KITAS). The 6 million Rupiah price is probably a service which the person will act as an agent . In my city you don't need to ask about the fee because there is a big placard informing all services with the respective fee .
If you are Indonesian , and your husband is with visit visa , he can get the KITAS without exiting Indonesia , as I did recently .
If you are Indonesian but your husband's visa is not visit visa , then the best option probably is to go to Singapore or Kuala Lumpur and get a social cultural visa (sosial budaya/sosbud) and later convert it to KITAS inside Indonesia . Or start a VITAS process in which he will also end up with the KITAS ( this is probably the option suggested to your staff , but I believe you need to start the process in Indonesia before he get the VITAS in Singapore/Kuala Lumpur/.. )

Shinta
27-07-10, 08:02
Hello Marcus!
I am a woman married to a indonesian, I just have now a Visa Kunjungan 211, type B for two months, do you know if this kind the visa can be converted to a Vitas/Kitas inside of Indonesia? if so do you think in 10 weeks I will have time enough to convert it?
How much money do you recomend to have on the buku statement on my husband´s bank?
Terimakasi banyak

marcus
27-07-10, 11:38
Shinta , reading the Regulation ( http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.org/showthread.php/1146-KITAS-sponsored-by-an-Indonesian-wife-of-a-foreign-husband?p=18827&viewfull=1#post18827 ) again , It refers to change the status of Visit Visa to ITAS , and from what Atlantis wrote here http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.org/showthread.php/1146-KITAS-sponsored-by-an-Indonesian-wife-of-a-foreign-husband./page14 , post 131 , I understood that Tourism Visa (which is also a Visit Visa) can be converted to KITAS too . For your information , the sosbud visa and the tourist visa have both the same 211/B identification , the difference being that the last one doesn't need a sponsor but sosbud does need a sponsor . If your visa is indeed a sosbud , then I am sure you can convert it to a KITAS inside Indonesia , like I did ( see my case here http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.org/showthread.php/1146-KITAS-sponsored-by-an-Indonesian-wife-of-a-foreign-husband./page25 ) . My case took 1 month to convert , but if you really have a sosbud , you have more time as you can extend it up to 180 days . About money in the bank , it was not required in my case , but if required there is a recommendation from Atlantis (Rp30 Juta/year) here http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.org/showthread.php/1146-KITAS-sponsored-by-an-Indonesian-wife-of-a-foreign-husband , post no.4 .

Labao
05-09-10, 20:16
I got one Question, i got a working visa and went last week to the Imi Office and they told me, i have to spent 23 Mio. to transfer my working visa to a non working Kitas sponsored from my wife.
They said, Jakarta will not kabulkan ijin ini. Is it really true, from a working visa Kitas convert to non working Kitas, is it almost impossible or just a bluff again from the Imi office????

Thanks for any reply

atlantis
06-09-10, 05:46
It's a bluff, but unfortunately a common one. It ain't too difficult though to deal with. The DitJenIm decision (Petunjuk Pelaksanaan Direktur Jenderal Imigrasi nomor: F-309.IZ.01.10 Tahun 1995 tentang tata cara pemberian, perpanjangan, penolakan dan gugurnya izin keimigrasian) which details the procedure concerning a change of sponsor has been written in 1995 at a time when indonesian wives were not able to sponsor their foreign husband. Therefore, there is no explanation given for a change of sponsor from a company to an indonesian wife. And this is why your local KanIm petugas fill confortable in asking bribes.
The DitJenIm (what your kanim mysteriously call "Jakarta") won't have any trouble to process such change of sponsor and do it routinely since 2006 and the change in the citizenship law which paved the way for indonesian wife to sponsor their foreign husband .
The best way to deal with the problem is to ignore the oral demand of the KanIm and to start the procedure by writing a letter to the Kakanim (kepala kantor Imigrasi) stating that:
1. you wish to terminate your actual immigration status (KITAS indeks 312). You will require a letter of your actual sponsor to authorize you to do so.
2. your wife wants to sponsor you for a KITAS indeks 317 as authorized by the Peraturan Menteri Hukum dan hak asasi manusia RI nomor M.01-IZ.01.10 Tahun 2007 tentang perubahan kedua atas Keputusan menteri kehakiman RI nomor M.02-IZ.01.10 Tahun 1995 tentang visa singgah, visa kunjungan, visa tinggal terbatas, izin masuk dan izin keimigrasian following the enactment of the Undang-Undang nomor 12 tahun 2006 tentang kewarganegaraan RI.
3. In your letter, you should write a small paragraph notifying that you already went to the kanIm and that you got answered that it would cost you 23 millions to do so. Express your surprise and suggest that it must be a mistake from the petugas who has answered you, since the Peraturan Pemerintah nomor 38 tahun 2009 tentang jenis dan tarif atas jenis Penerimaan Negara Bukan Pajak yang berlaku pada departemen Hukum dan HAM clearly stipulates that the cost of a KITAS is IDR 700.000. No fee for a change of sponsor should be charged, apart the fee of the KITAS and the fee for the biometrik pics and fingerprint are legal as per the quoted governmental regulation which is the prevailing and most updated reg concerning immigration fees.
Be polite and courteous in the redaction of this paragraph. Just state your surprise, adding that you know many cases around the archipelago where the DitJenIm has processed such change of sponsor without "extra fees". Conclude by a sentence such as "there must have been a misunderstanding, which is understandable during a ramadhan month when everyone is obviously tired and prone to do mistakes which explains the wrong information given by the petugas".
4. Ask politely in the letter to the Kakanim to start the procedure of change of sponsor and to forward your documents to the KanWil and the Direktorat Jenderal Imigrasi as per the law.
5. At the end of the letter, on the left side, add the following mention:

Tembusan kepada yth:
- Direktur Jenderal Imigrasi,
Up. Direktur Izin Tinggal dan Status Keimigrasian
- Kepala Kantor Wilayah kementerian hukum dan HAM (your propinsi ex: Sumatra Barat or DKI Jakarta or Jawa Timur...etc)

Obviously you won't send the copy of the letter, unless if they do not adopt a positive attitude. The mention of a copy to both the KanWil and the DitJenIm should wake them up, especially with a written mention of the 23 millions asked.

The general tone of the letter have to be polite but should clearly let them understand that you know the law and are not ready to let anyone mess with your rights. Google the four references of law I gave in this post and print them. The letter should be addressed to Bapak Kepala Kantor Imigrasi and given to the piket so that they register it in their book. Eventually you can also ask to meet with him.
Do not hesitate to ask for further advise by posting in this thread or by creating a specific one.

Labao
09-09-10, 15:53
Thanks Atantis for your reply. Hopefully i do understand everything the right way.

So, i don´t have to go to Jakarta or even Semarang, which is the Kantor Wilayah for me. (i stay in Sukoharjo close to Solo and this the most corruptable city in Indo (sumber Kompas 2009).
The Prozedur can be done all in Solo, or am i wrong???

Anyway, my actual Kitas will be terminate in the middle of November.
The Sponsor is our own Company from my wife (whitch is the Direktur), everything is legal,
NPWP every month zero, padahal di dalam RPTKA my gaji is 1500 US$. (once in 2002 it was
suggested by the KANIM Boss in itself to so, if i would like to stay for a longer time then
just 6 month on a SOSBUD.)

So, time is very important, because normaly i should pay DPKK for my next IMTA first,
if i do fail with the "convert KITAS" it might be very tight in time to extend my KITAS again!!!

Do you think it can be done in 2 month or not???

(to start a new post, good idea, but i think it would be better if you do it,
you got more experience and more reputation.)

Salam vo Solo zu Manado.

MadCat
03-10-10, 22:13
Ok, question: I'm about to convert my SosBud over to a wife-sponsored KITAS, and I'm not sure what I should do first; my SosBud has been extended once, and is in need of another extension in about 8 days. Should I do the extension first, then start the KITAS procedure, or start the KITAS procedure right away? Since they will take my passport, I assume it means that during the procedure I'm still "legal"?

atlantis
04-10-10, 05:38
You can do both in the same time. Start the extension and the conversion of your izin kunjungan in an ITAS. They may tell you that you can't convert it and that you have to exit the country to get a VITAS or that you must wait for 4 months before converting it...etc All of these excuses are just their ignorance and misunderstanding of the law. If you have trouble, post here and I'll get the reference of law that you have to show them to run smoothly the procedure.
They won't take your passport during the procedure. They will require to see the original but only need copies for the file to be sent in the KanWil and DitJenIm. As long as you start the procedure for the extension of your izin kunjungan you are legit.

MadCat
04-10-10, 08:54
Ah okay, last time I did the sosbud extension they kept my passport, that's why :) Since I'll be doing this in Jakarta, they might actually not give me any trouble, last time I went by myself to get the extension done, and I had no problems whatsoever there, no request for uang rokok, but instead rather helpful staff.

Will throw a post in here later to relate my experiences :D

marcus
04-10-10, 10:05
As some immigration officers apply procedures with small deviations , I would first get the extension with some time in advance , and as soon as the extension is ready , apply for the KITAS . This because :
1) In my city , the chief of the KITAS section told me I could not apply for 2 process simultaneously , and
2) During my KITAS process the immigration officer requested my passport and kept it until the end of the process .

ishwor
05-10-10, 05:56
hi ashayu ....
warm greeting from dubai.
wowwwwwwwwwwww i read do many mails,i was totally disappointed with the officer behaviours.but after i read your post i hope i can get KITAS so easily as u mentioned.
actually i have very lovely wife in bali.i have been their a few times in tourist visa,i have legal married certificate also from bali,last 5 month back i try to apply for KITAS.but suddendly i need to left bali because of my job posting in dubai.now i am totally lost.i do not know what to do.in this case how can i apply KITAS from dubai,can my wife process from bali or she has to apply from jakarta?I heard it can be done from bali imigrasi?please tolong saya.............
hope to get your reply soon
thanks


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marcus
13-10-10, 10:35
I believe Atlantis already told here that it is easier to first come in Indonesia with a social cultural visa and then convert it to KITAS . But you also have the option to ask your wife to start , probably in Bali first and later in Jakarta , a VITAS process which will later be converted in KITAS as soon as you enter Indonesia .

martin
19-10-10, 03:43
[QUOTE=atlantis;9774]Note the following:

- A KITAS as described above, sponsored by an Indonesian wife, doesn't allow any kind of work.}}


Sponsored by Indonesian Wife a foreig Hubby can stay in the country for 5 years (with yearly renewals) and eat on wife's money and not allowed to work or start his own work/company

Wonder why
Strange

atlantis
19-10-10, 10:55
Sponsored by Indonesian Wife a foreig Hubby can stay in the country for 5 years (with yearly renewals) and eat on wife's money and not allowed to work or start his own work/company
Wonder why
That is to free us males from the stress of having to provide and be the breadwinner. I follow the therapy and have only good thing to say about it.

martin
19-10-10, 23:57
I wonder why Law allows an indonesian Girl to get married to indonesian girl at first instance ..when latter the law prohibits the foreign husband to work or establish a company after getting married.

atlantis
20-10-10, 00:13
I wonder why Law allows an indonesian Girl to get married to indonesian girl at first instance ..
Huh?


when latter the law prohibits the foreign husband to work or establish a company after getting married.
The law doesn't prohibits the foreign husband to work. He can do so as long as he is sponsored by an indonesian company. And the law doesn't forbid either to establish a company. It is called a PT PMA if there is any foreign capital in it.

martin
20-10-10, 12:37
Is a foreigner allowed to establish a company in indonesia(without getting married to indonesian girl)
is the capital required here is same as is required from foreigner married to indonesian girl who also wishes to establish a company in indonesia ???

atlantis
20-10-10, 12:52
Is a foreigner allowed to establish a company in indonesia(without getting married to indonesian girl)
is the capital required here is same as is required from foreigner married to indonesian girl who also wishes to establish a company in indonesia ???
Yes for both questions.
Though I would need further elaboration for your second question to make sure that we speak about the exact same thing. However, if you want to ask further questions about establishing company I would kindly ask you to do so in a seperate thread.

martin
25-10-10, 00:11
[QUOTE=atlantis;9658]THIS POST HAS BEEN UPDATED IN APRIL 2009 AND JUNE 2010

18. The foreigner has to go to his Kantor Lurah to get a Surat keterengan domisili stating his formal address in Indonesia and he should bring this letter to his Catatan Sipil to get a SKTT (Surat Keterangan Tempat Tinggal), a SKPPS (surat keterengan pendaftaran penduduk sementara) and a SKDLN (Surat Keterengan Datang dari Luar Negeri). A foreigner staying on a KITAS MUST register at the Capil for the above documents. It will help smothen a KITAP procedure later. In fact, chances are that the CaPil compil the three documents and issue a nice greenish card attesting your residency and registration as a temporary resident for the length of the KITAS. Fees for it are defined by Peraturan Daerah and varies depending on each kota/kabupaten. It shouldn't cost more than IDR 150K.
Be careful you have 14 days to do so after the date of issuance of the KITAS (Pasal 20, undang undang 23 tahun 2006 tentang Administrasi Kependudukan) to register. Failure to do so in time would expose you to a fine of a maximum of IDR 2.000K (Pasal 89, undang undang 23 tahun 2006 tentang Administrasi Kependudukan).
19. Your next move will be to go to the Departemen Pajak to get a NPWP, the husband's personal tax number...

* amended article in 2005. It reduces to nil the "waiting period" of 4 months previously mandatory before initiating the procedure.


Well i would like to first thank Mr Atlantis for the valuable information
fr two years i am follwing the above 17 steps as im a kitas holder but i never complete the 18 and 19 steps coz noen of the authority in immigration told me to go to these kantors Kantor Lurah to get a Surat keterengan domisili and Departemen Pajak to get a NPWP

IS it necessary to go to get that Surat keterengan domisili ??????? imigrasi never asked me to go to that kantor

marcus
25-10-10, 18:19
Martin , I copy below a post about this subject . What I understood is that the whole item 18 is to comply with an Indonesian law ( penalty of Rp2 J if not complied) . I believe that immigration officers didn't tell you to do that because this is a subject of a different government office and communication between government offices is not very good ( by the way , it is like that in my country also ) . Getting the NPWP was more to avoid the "Fiskal"/exit tax of Rp2.5 Juta .

Posted by Atlantis , in this thread , post no. 104 :
[...The article 89 of the Undang-Undang nomor 23 tahun 2006 stipulates that the fine is of a maximum of IDR 2.000.000 for a foreigner. Here is the correct article:

Pasal 89
(1) Setiap Penduduk dikenai sanksi administratif berupa denda apabila melampaui batas waktu pelaporan Peristiwa Kependudukan dalam hal:
a. pindah datang bagi Orang Asing yang memiliki Izin Tinggal Terbatas atau Orang Asing yang memiliki Izin Tinggal Tetap sebagaimana dimaksud dalam Pasal 17 ayat (3);
b. pindah datang ke luar negeri bagi Penduduk Warga Negara Indonesia sebagaimana dimaksud dalam Pasal 18 ayat (3);
c. pindah datang dari luar negeri bagi Penduduk Warga Negara Indonesia sebagaimana dimaksud dalam Pasal 19 ayat (1);
d. pindah datang dari luar negeri bagi Orang Asing yang memiliki Izin Tinggal Terbatas sebagaimana dimaksud dalam Pasal 20 ayat (1):
e. perubahan status Orang Asing yang memiliki Izin Tinggal Terbatas menjadi Orang Asing yang memiliki Izin Tinggal Tetap sebagaimana dimaksud dalam Pasal 21 ayat (1);
f. pindah ke luar negeri bagi Orang Asing yang memiliki Izin Tinggal Terbatas atau Orang Asing yang memiliki Izin Tinggal Tetap sebagaimana dimaksud dalam Pasal 22 ayat (1);
g. perubahan KK sebagaimana dimaksud dalam Pasal 62 ayat (2): atau
h. perpanjangan KTP sebagaimana dimaksud dalam Pasal 63 ayat (4).
(2) Denda administratif sebagaimana dimaksud pada ayat (1) terhadap Penduduk Warga Negara Indonesia paling banyak Rp.1.000.000.00 (satu juta rupiah) dan Penduduk Orang Asing paling banyak Rp.2.000.000,00 (dua juta rupiah).
(3) Ketentuan lebih lanjut mengenai penetapan Benda administratif sebagaimana dimaksud pada ayat (2) diatur dalam Peraturan Presiden .]

atlantis
25-10-10, 18:28
Marcus... You are an asset for this forum. Dunno if I said it to you already but you are an incredible researcher of the archives of this forum! You save me a LOT of time. Thank you for that and all the effort you are doing.

Addee
26-10-10, 01:21
Hi, sorry if this question has already been answered.
I am planning to get a Sosbud and then convert it to a KITAS. The bit I am worrying about is getting the approval letter back from the Ditjen. In the explanation of the process at the beginning of the thread it states that any relative holding a Surat Kuasa Khusus can pick it up for you. Unfortunately we don't have any relatives in Jakarta, would a friend be acceptable? Or would I be better off including a pre-paid envelope with the docs.

atlantis
26-10-10, 06:38
Anyone would do, as long as he/she has a surat kuasa from your sponsor authorizing him/her to pick up any document. Better to also give him/her a photocopy of the sponsor's KTP. I have never heard that anyone requested it in the DitJenIm, but one never knows. Better to give more documents rather than wasting time sending missing documents.
I went myself twice through the procedure and picked up myself my documents in the DitJenIm. I've also picked up documents for friends a number of times with a surat kuasa (most of the times, the petugas barely took a look at it). It's no big deal, really. No need to be worried. Sometimes I didn't even stay 10 minutes in the building, sometimes it took me a couple of hours, but never I had a real problem.

marcus
26-10-10, 10:06
Marcus... You are an asset for this forum. Dunno if I said it to you already but you are an incredible researcher of the archives of this forum! You save me a LOT of time. Thank you for that and all the effort you are doing.
I am just returning a little of the benefits I got from you and others . And it is not so much research as I copy some useful posts in a private folder for future use and later I just have to paste them for the new questions .

Addee
27-10-10, 20:18
Thanks Atlantis, it will certainly make things a bit easier knowing that. I am planning to get the 60 day visa (no extensions) and convert it to a KITAS straight away, seeing that the 4 month manadatory waiting period is no longer in force. Is there a particular piece of law which I can take with me stating this, as I don't want an immigration officer with out of date information telling me I need to wait 4 months.

cup1981
30-10-10, 17:20
Thanks Atlantis, it will certainly make things a bit easier knowing that. I am planning to get the 60 day visa (no extensions) and convert it to a KITAS straight away, seeing that the 4 month manadatory waiting period is no longer in force. Is there a particular piece of law which I can take with me stating this, as I don't want an immigration officer with out of date information telling me I need to wait 4 months.

I have the law in both English and Indonesian if you would like me to email it to you. As well as other clarifications of it.

atlantis
30-10-10, 17:41
Is there a particular piece of law which I can take with me stating this, as I don't want an immigration officer with out of date information telling me I need to wait 4 months.
Here is what you need to download:

Peraturan Pemerintah nomor 32 Tahun 1994 tentang Visa, Izin Masuk dan Izin keimigrasian (http://www.deptan.go.id/kln/daftar_phln/PP%201994%20No%2032%20ttg%20Visa.pdf).
This is the governmental regulation concerning visas and general immigration rules. If you read it it, the article 48 requires a mandatory 4 months period before converting an izin kunjungan in an izin tinggal terbatas. However it has been modified in October 2005 with the following amendment:

Peraturan Pemerintah nomor 38 tahun 2005 tentang perubahan kedua atas Peraturan Pemerintah nomor 32 Tahun 1994 tentang Visa, Izin Masuk dan Izin keimigrasian. (http://www.djpp.depkumham.go.id/inc/buka.php?czoyNDoiZD0yMDAwKzUmZj1wcDM4LTIwMDUuaHRtI js=)
The 4 months mandatory period has been cancelled and one can start the procedure at his/her will, as long as he/she is in Indonesia.

Dr. Michael Beer
31-10-10, 07:40
Hello, cup, this is Michael. Would you please be so kind and mail the laws in English and Indonesian (mentiones in your last Post)? Very much apreciated.

Addee
01-11-10, 02:40
Thanks for that Atlantis, you're a star (as usual). Thanks for the offer Cup, I wouldn't mind a copy of the english language version please, I'll PM you my e-mail.

atlantis
01-11-10, 06:13
Thanks for that Atlantis, you're a star (as usual). Thanks for the offer Cup, I wouldn't mind a copy of the english language version please, I'll PM you my e-mail.
Thanks.
Be very careful, with english language version of any law. I've seen a few of them with dramatic errors or imprecise translations which were armful for the general sense of the law. It is important for you to read the whole law, article per article, in Bahasa Indonesia in order to have an idea about its meaning and philosophy. If you don't speak Bahasa Indonesia well enough, ask to your wife to read it with you and translate it together one by one, taking your time. A text of law has a logic, a philosophy and it's important for you to get it.

ANDRE
01-11-10, 14:11
Wrong. You are thinking like a foreigner. :) Elsewhere a central government makes the law and notice of it gets forwarded to the government departments in the states and provinces where it is implimented equally. Not so here. Though Bali might be the navel of the world for the Balinese when it comes to the implimentation of legislation things are more by the book the closer you get to Jakarta (the originator and watchdog of the legislation). Bali is still frontier land where things are run by social connections ("who you know") or by bribes. Here in Bali I was offered the spousal visa by a lady in the immigration office for 850 USD. Of course she knows that the foreigner must fly out of the country to get it. But to add the flight cost to a neighbouring country, a possible overnight hotel stay and the actual visa cost together still does not add up to a fair profit. If only set fees were posted at each office and the process was streamlined things would be much better. I am still waiting for the law to be passed that requires all government officials to swear/affirm that as a requirement of their employment that they will not take any bribe. Ah but then who would enforce it? ;)

atlantis
01-11-10, 15:55
Wrong. You are thinking like a foreigner. :) Elsewhere a central government makes the law and notice of it gets forwarded to the government departments in the states and provinces where it is implimented equally. Not so here. Though Bali might be the navel of the world for the Balinese when it comes to the implimentation of legislation things are more by the book the closer you get to Jakarta (the originator and watchdog of the legislation).

Well, I live 3 hours by flight from Jakarta., a bit further away than Bali is. As everywhere, Pejabat's expectations are very different from what the law say. However, it doesn't mean that I (or anyone else) have to abide by their wishes. The law is the same for (almost) everyone.
"Elsewhere"? Well, I suppose that you haven't travelled much outside of the "western" world. I've been living and travelling in a few countries in Africa, South America and Asia and haven't seen much difference in the implementation of laws with Indonesia. Ranting is always relieving, but doing a few efforts to inform oneself is not a bad idea either.


Bali is still frontier land where things are run by social connections ("who you know") or by bribes. Here in Bali I was offered the spousal visa by a lady in the immigration office for 850 USD.

Quite a few people I know in Bali got it done for more or less the real fee, which is IDR 700.000 (less than USD 80). There are also Bali users of this forum, using the advises given in this thread who did the same.



Of course she knows that the foreigner must fly out of the country to get it. But to add the flight cost to a neighbouring country, a possible overnight hotel stay and the actual visa cost together still does not add up to a fair profit.

You may want to read this thread. It is all about not having to exit the country to have it done. Next time I suggest that you read first, then write. :smile2:


If only set fees were posted at each office and the process was streamlined things would be much better.

Come on, they are not difficult to find when they are not posted in the KanIm. They are posted in this forum and its sister site for example. A simple "google" would lead you to a link to any of the two site. I've just done a test with "Indonesia imigrasi fee" and the very first link proposed was a link to this forum with posts quoting the relevant regulation (http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.org/archive/index.php/t-5191.html).

Altenatively follow this link: Peraturan Pemerintah nomor 38 tahun 2009 tentang jenis dan tarif atas jenis penerimaan negara bukan pajak yang berlaku pada departemen Hukum dan Hak Asasi manusia (http://www.hukumonline.com/pusatdata/detail/lt4a2cbfa57eea2/node/1060) and from there download both the Peraturan and the Lampiran.

Last, you can find them on the Imigrasi website (http://www.imigrasi.go.id/) (look the above reference in the Produk Hukum part of the website)

ANDRE
01-11-10, 16:37
Thank you. I appreciate your help, sarcasm, (dry) humor... AND LINKS! If only you were the government I'd vote for you! ;) HAHA! I believe it is not just wealth (GDP) that distinguishes what others have labeled as "developing countries" from those which are already "developed." It also has to do with the manner in which both the law is implimented and country is managed. I have also traveled and noticed that where WISIWYG (what is stated is what you get) produces something that more efficient and honest than where various degrees of grey are promoted. That is why I am typing in black on white. :)

ANDRE
01-11-10, 16:45
p.s ...if things were "straight" the this site would be A LOT smaller. ;)

cup1981
01-11-10, 18:47
Thanks.
Be very careful, with english language version of any law. I've seen a few of them with dramatic errors or imprecise translations which were armful for the general sense of the law. It is important for you to read the whole law, article per article, in Bahasa Indonesia in order to have an idea about its meaning and philosophy. If you don't speak Bahasa Indonesia well enough, ask to your wife to read it with you and translate it together one by one, taking your time. A text of law has a logic, a philosophy and it's important for you to get it.

Very true, Atlantis, I made certain that I only use the English versions for my tracking of where the imigrasi bozo was looking. My wife actually explained the law to me from Bahasa Indo to English. I should have prefaced my offer with that, thanks for taking up where I left them short :).

cup1981
01-11-10, 18:49
p.s ...if things were "straight" the this site would be A LOT smaller. ;)

And... Imigrasi worker's. Police officer's and other low level Govenment official's pockets would be lighter...

martin
11-11-10, 10:52
Thanks Antantis & MArcus u guys saved me from a big problem , i did applied same day for Surat keterengan , and got my NPWP done.

Tang15
13-11-10, 12:16
Dear Atlantis,

Please kindly share with me your advices to Alsee's above inquired as I am having some questions .

Thank you for kind help in advance.

Tang15
13-11-10, 12:17
http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.org/showthread.php/images/icons/icon1.gif Alsee want to be a permanent resident in Indonesia


Dear Atlantis,
I am a Malaysian who married an Indonesian girl. We have registered our marriage at Catatan Sipil.
I had been staying in Indonesia for the last 19 years holding Kitas working permit and I intend to be a permanent resident in Indonesia.
My questions are as follows :
1) I am no longer working in Indonesia now. How can I stay and work in Indonesia with my wife?
As I understood from your forum, I may enter Indonesia with SosBud visa, and transform into KITAP subsequently after staying for 2 continuous years, BUT not allow to work during the two year period.
2) Does my long stay of 19 years help my application for KITAP?
3) Upon obtaining KITAP, am I allow to work? Earn some income from Indonesia?
4) If i stay with visa sosbud, and when i got a job in Indonesia, do i at the same time also apply for KITAS with my new company as my sponsor? And what is the status of my sosbud?
5) Would it disrupt the requirement for me to apply KITAP if I enter and stay in Indonesia with SosBud and Kitas at the same time?
Thank you and looking forward to your advice.

marcus
15-11-10, 12:58
1) To work in Indonesia you must have a work permit . By having an Indonesian wife do not give you any advantage in this subject .
The advantage of an Indonesian wife is to get a KITAS sponsored by her , but you cannot work

2) I don't know but probably not .

3) You must get a work permit first

4) Normally your boss will take care of the necessary documents (work permit , KITAS , ..) . At one time you will have sosbud or KITAS . Sosbud will become invalid when you get the KITAS or vice versa .

5) For KITAP you need > 2 years of continuous KITAS .

civetmouse
19-11-10, 18:51
My husband has a KITAS sponsored by a tour and travel somewhere in Jakarta arranged by our friend in Imigrasi in Surabaya. next year we will try for the first time , me as a wife become his only sponsor. I am being helped alots for the moment from your abroad knowlegde of 'Keimigrasian affairs' in Indonesia, thanks for your big effort to share with a lots of us. Two thumbs up for you!!!

ohmdafyd
19-11-10, 19:06
My husband has a KITAS sponsored by a tour and travel somewhere in Jakarta arranged by our friend in Imigrasi in Surabaya. next year we will try for the first time , me as a wife become his only sponsor. I am being helped alots for the moment from your abroad knowlegde of 'Keimigrasian affairs' in Indonesia, thanks for your big effort to share with a lots of us. Two thumbs up for you!!!

Just one comment, I was once told by a very credible source that there are no 'friends' in Immigrasi, full stop!

My wife has two 'friends' who work at Immigrasi, husband and wife who are ex neighbours of hers and have known her for years. They are both totally corrupt and it was of course a 'friendship' based on uang rokok until we wised up and put a stop to it, guess what, they are no longer 'friends'...

We also have a family member who works for a travel agency and spends all of his time every day at the same kantor Immigrasi, and is also a local RT, same thing, no uang rokok, no help.

Hati hati mbak.

civetmouse
19-11-10, 19:41
Thanks for your warning Ohmdafyd, we knew verywell that 'our friend' can againts us in the future soon that we are not longer playing Bank for them, we just try to pay his service and avoid any intimate contact with him or others people that pops up soon when they know that I am married with foreigner, sometimes I feel a stranger in my own country..hik..hik...

civetmouse
19-11-10, 19:46
The first time after we arrived in Indonesia and dealed with these officers we refused to pay for ' uang rokok' for the ideology and as result we were being ignored for days, that push us to shallow our pride and digging deep in our pocket to have friendly service and .....it worked

ohmdafyd
19-11-10, 19:54
The first time after we arrived in Indonesia and dealed with these officers we refused to pay for ' uang rokok' for the ideology and as result we were being ignored for days, that push us to shallow our pride and digging deep in our pocket to have friendly service and .....it worked

Of course it worked,it's standard procedure for them to go slow and intimidate you at the same time to extract uang rokok as you don't know the process yet, official fees or the Immigration Laws, but they cannot refuse to process your KITAS providing you follow the process and your husband abides strictly wth the terms of his Visa, no work!

It's not so difficult to process it all by yourself, around 800,000R or therabouts all up and yes it means a few extra visits to the office but so what, you are helping your Country in a small but important way to end corruption.
After a while when they understand you will not pay any bribes they will begin to relax and even lighten up somewhat so don't be concerned with non friendly service, just follow the process, you can do it and the forum has all the info you will need to suppotr you guys.

Salam

civetmouse
19-11-10, 20:07
Thanks again for the information , next year I will try again and I expect that we have to be ready to play a dog at Imigrasi office ( I mean ' waiting with eyes focus at the hole of the loket') just minus barking !!!!

ohmdafyd
19-11-10, 20:21
Thanks again for the information , next year I will try again and I expect that we have to be ready to play a dog at Imigrasi office ( I mean ' waiting with eyes focus at the hole of the loket') just minus barking !!!!


ha ha ha ...sama sama mbak, just read up all of the information that you need in the main sister site, and ask any questions you have here in the forum.

n4t4c4
06-12-10, 17:55
Hello,

I'm new in this forum but I've been reading it for a few months. Thanks so much for the information!

I am Indonesian who used to live in Canada until 2 weeks ago (came back to Jakarta). I still maintain my KTP Jakarta, though, so it's not a problem. My husband, a Canadian, obtained a multiple entry sos bud visa (Index 212) which is valid for 1 year with a maximum of 60 days per stay. He is already in Indonesia for 2 weeks.

This morning, we went to Kanim Jak Sel, which moved to TB Simatupang No. 10, and was told that this kind of visa is not convertible to a KITAS. And the lady also said that the one that IS convertible is the Index 211 type. At this point, the only solution she offered was for us to apply for a VITAS for which my husband will have to go abroad to pick up.

Does anyone in this forum have a similar experience? Is it true that the multiple entry sos bud can not be converted to a KITAS? Do we have any other option than getting a VITAS?

Thank you so much in advance!

marcus
06-12-10, 19:24
I am not sure but I think it should be possible to convert the multiple journey sosbud to KITAS , because the process is to convert a visit permit to ITAS ( "Alih Status Izin Kunjungan menjadi Izin Tinggal Terbatas") . In other Atlantis post (post no. 131 at http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.org/showthread.php/1146-KITAS-sponsored-by-an-Indonesian-wife-of-a-foreign-husband./page14) he wrote that even a tourist visa could be converted to KITAS ( sosbud , tourist and business visas are all "Izin Kunjungan") . As our specialist , Atlantis , is busy now , I would ask at the higher level immigration office (Jl. Rasuna Said , Kav 8-9 , Jkt Selatan) .
Even people with sosbud 211 (single journey) had complained that immigration sometimes didn't want to convert it to KITAS .
As far as I know , you can either convert a sosbud to KITAS (like I did with a sosbud 211) , or get a VITAS which you still need , within few days after arriving in Indonesia , continue the process at the immigration until you get the KITAS .

n4t4c4
07-12-10, 13:52
Thanks for the response, Marcus. I thought so too, but since I didn't know the proper rules, I decided to go home and do more research first. I will check the DitJen Imigrasi tomorrow when they open. Do you think going to a different KanIm would give me a different result?

Does anyone here have a copy of the official rules that I can get a hold of?

Thank you!

n4t4c4
07-12-10, 14:21
So I got a hold of PP No. 32 and it says:

Pasal 47
Izin Keimigrasian yang dapat dialihkan statusnya adalah :
1. Izin Kunjungan menjadi Izin Tinggal Terbatas; dan
2. Izin Tinggal Terbatas menjadi Izin Tinggal Tetap, kecuali orang asing sebagaimana dimaksud dalam Pasal 53.

So from my understanding, any Izin Kunjungan can be converted to ITAS. However, it also says that it is further regulated by a Keputusan Menteri Kehakiman and I was not able to find this Keputusan regarding this matter. Does anyone know what year and number this Keputusan is? Thanks so much!

marcus
07-12-10, 19:04
I think the problem is that , historically , sosbud 212 was not included in this conversion because one regulation stated the conversion process should start only after the 4th month . But this regulation was revised and now there is no mention of the "4th..", although some immigration officers still say one need to wait 4 months .
See a reference about this :
http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.org/showthread.php/9611-4-Month-waiting-period-for-KITAS/page2

n4t4c4
08-12-10, 00:39
Would someone have a copy of Petunjuk Pelaksanaan DirJen Imigrasi Tahun 1995 tentang Tata Cara Alih Status Izin Keimigrasian? I can't find it on their website. :(

The website also didn't have the Peraturan Menteri Hukum dan HAM tahun 2007 which ammended the 1995 version.

If someone here have any of those and can share with me, I would very much appreciate it.

Thank you!

Dr. Michael Beer
12-12-10, 10:02
Good day Atlantis,
I am due for the first extension of the ITAS. I got 2 forms from imigrasi here, but am not sure why they gave me a FORMULIR PERUBAHAN DATA ORANG ASING (PERDIM: 27) and for the Multiple ExitReEntry FORMULIR IZIN MASUK KEMBALI DAN PEMULANGAN (perdim: 25), which I understand. But the first one not. Is there any other for the Extension Application? I have to travel around 100km here in Bali. Thanks a lot again

marcus
14-12-10, 12:26
I got the forms package almost a year ago , so I am not sure if any modification occurred . My package (which I didn't use yet) contains : PERDIM 27 + PERDIM 24 "Formulir Izin Tinggal Terbatas dan Tetap" + "Surat Permintaan dan Jaminan" (for the sponsor) .
I didn't receive the form for exit/reentry permit .

Dr. Michael Beer
15-12-10, 08:30
Thanks a lot Marcus. Yes, 27,24 I got but also 25 which actually is for CHANGING name, status etc. We called imigrasi and they told my wife, just fill out the personal data - No changes. Are there any forms we could download from the Internet. Immigration has a GREAT website, but I did not find anything.

Noorml
24-12-10, 10:23
Dear Atlantis,

Here i still confuse how to get social visit visa for at the first time for my fiance.
Here he will come with social visit visa and we plan to married and get Kitas soon.
What document should i need to provide(about the invitation letter, what should mention on it) so he didnt get any problem or rejected by Indonesian embassy of his country?
Could you explain more detail to me about the invitation letter or maybe u just can gia an example letter to apply social visa for our case.
and what next step should i do then?
Thank you

cobra427
28-12-10, 07:12
Many thanks Atlantis for sharing your knowledge.
After reading up, I tried to convert my Sos Bud. to a wife sponsored KITAS. Only to be told exactly what you said. Immigrasi telling me I had to wait 4 mths before I could apply. Even tried explaining to them about the law, only to be shot down.
After 4 months I tried again, only to be told the price was Rp.6,000,000 excluding exit permit!
I hate dealing with immigrasi as they are too greedy and corrupt.
Is it possible to apply for a wife sponsored KITAS at a foreign consulate and how long would it take? I have dealt with Indo. Consulates in Thailand, Malaysia, and Singapore with no KKN.

Appreciate any input. Thks.

marcus
28-12-10, 10:20
Dear Atlantis,.........
What document should i need to provide(about the invitation letter, what should mention on it) so he didnt get any problem or rejected by Indonesian embassy of his country?
Could you explain more detail to me about the invitation letter or maybe u just can gia an example letter to apply social visa for our case.
and what next step should i do then? Thank you
If you don't mind my help :
Write the sponsor letter and send to him (or to the Embassy he is supposed to go) together with a copy of the sponsor's KTP (see sample in the reference below).
http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.org/showthread.php/562-Social-Budaya-Visa-Sponsorship-samples?p=5217#post5217 , post no.4 .
Ask him to check if his country's Indonesian Embassy asks for sponsor's bank account also . If you don't find a sponsor with a bank account's balance of about Rp 5 Juta minimum , ask him to go to get the visa in Kuala Lumpur or Singapore .
http://id.embassyinformation.com/?einfo
http://www.kbrikualalumpur.org/web/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=104&Itemid=148 (Sosbud)
http://www.kbrisingapura.com/immigration_for_visit.php?lang=eng (Sosbud)
http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.org/showthread.php/1314-Indonesian-Visas-at-Kuala-Lumpur?highlight=Indonesian+Visas+Kuala+Lumpur

marcus
28-12-10, 10:45
...After 4 months I tried again, only to be told the price was Rp.6,000,000 excluding exit permit!
I hate dealing with immigrasi as they are too greedy and corrupt.
Is it possible to apply for a wife sponsored KITAS at a foreign consulate and how long would it take? I have dealt with Indo...
At least in my city , there are some few officers walking around at the immigration office who do nothing except try to get some extra money . The office has designated places for each type of service , with a placard stating like : "ITAS..."(KITAS,..) , or "Visa Kunjungan..."(sosbud extensions,..). Make sure the officer you talk to is exactly the one sitting below the placard for the service you seek . Go to the correct counter with all the required forms/documents in hand and just submit to him/her . If , even doing this , the designated officer tells you that , calmly tell him/her that you want to do all the process by yourself . Rp6 million is , for sure , an agent price for doing all the bureaucracy for you (one friend of mine found one who charged Rp4 million).
Another way to get this KITAS is starting a VITAS process in Indonesia and later going to an Embassy in Singapore , or KL , or.. But the bureaucracy/process is about the same and you will spend more money .
See below references of people who did this KITAS :
http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.org/showthread.php/1146-KITAS-sponsored-by-an-Indonesian-wife-of-a-foreign-husband.?p=72841#post72841 , post no. 246 and 247
http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.org/showthread.php/11203-KITAS-Process-in-real-time...
You will notice some different set of the required documents , depending on where you submit the process . Just make a set and bring with you all additional document possible to be required . The officer will check the package and tell you what is missing .

Noorml
29-12-10, 12:10
thank Atlantis for the procedure information

I have read the http://www.expat.or.id/info/mixmarriages.html#expat%20men
but there no explaination how if the couples havent married yet. there got mention unmarried couple for foreign wife of indonesian husband. But how about unmarried couple of foreign husband of indonesian wife? is the procedure are same?

How bout the invitation letter for the future husband(fiance)? and i heard that foreign husband should give some amount of money (thats 500juta) for his indonesian wive to get his KITAS.is that true? why should give such amount?

Here my fiance and me planning to get married and stay in Indonesia.The situation is, he still in oversea now. So before married, how the clear procedure to get visa for him to come in Indonesia.
what is the term for foreign husband to fulfill and what the term for the indonesian wive.

How much the total average true cost to proceed our arrangement? I mean Imigration cost start from get his first visa,our married arrangement until to get his KITAS. and how much the bank account should stated our saving to show to imigration?Can you provide in a short listed so easy for me to caught.

looking forward for your soon reply. thank you

marcus
29-12-10, 18:53
Lets write the complete path , supposing you decided to marry in Indonesia :
1) He gets a social cultural visa ( = sosbud visa = sosial budaya visa = visa kunjungan sosial budaya) .
It cost USD 45 or more depending on which Embassy .
For that , he will need a sponsor letter , a copy of the sponsor's KTP , and maybe a bank account statement (check at the chosen Embassy's website) . Sample of the letter at my former post above .

2) Ask him to check what is easier for him : to bring a proof that he is free to marry ( = has no impediment to marry ) from his country , or get this at his Embassy in Indonesia .
Check at the marriage office what other documents (ID card , birth certificate ,..) he need to bring for the marriage , from his country . Get sworn translation of the documents to English (if the case) in his country .

3) If you intend to buy land/house in Indonesia someday , go to a notary to get a prenuptial agreement (perjanjian pra-nikah/pisah harta) before marry.
It cost about Rp500k at least .
http://www.expat.or.id/info/marriagelegalimplications.html
http://www.expat.or.id/info/prenuptialagreement.html

4) Get sworn translation of his documents from English to Indonesia - cost about Rp70k per page (KUA translated for us) .
Marry . I paid about Rp1 Juta at the KUA .

5) Start the process to convert the sosbud visa to KITAS ( 6 months or one year visa , sponsored by you , he cannot work in Indonesia) . If you do all by yourself it will cost about Rp1 Juta except transport costs to regional immigration (kantor Wilayah) and Jakarta , if the case .
http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.org/showthread.php/1146-KITAS-sponsored-by-an-Indonesian-wife-of-a-foreign-husband.
http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.org/showthread.php/1146-KITAS-sponsored-by-an-Indonesian-wife-of-a-foreign-husband./page25 , posts no. 246 and 247

I believe the 500 Juta issue is not a real requirement . There are at least 2 persons who posted their successful KITAS without problem at the time this other who mentioned the 500 Juta subject . The last being Jonathan , see his post no. 92 here :
http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.org/showthread.php/11203-KITAS-Process-in-real-time.../page10

6) Register you husband at the Police (STM - free , SKLD - Rp100k) , and at the Catatan Sipil (SKTT or equivalent - free up to about Rp150k)

Noorml
30-12-10, 14:09
Thank you so much marcus. that all info short and clear i need
By the way
if i stay in surabaya city should istill go to proceed in jakarta? u mention there that all cost about 1 juta if i do all by ourself except transport cost to jakarta right>
so can we proceed all the full precess in surabaya?
or if cannot. for jakarta secton can we use an agent? and do u know any trusted agent can help us?
from your explanation means that i can be his sponsor even we had no married yet. betul?

and is it a must thatwe need to go public notary if i want to buy land someday?why?
as im Indonesian, can i just buy by my own name?
any additional payment that he should pay when he stay in Indonesia such as tax or anything?(in case he not working)
and is there any problem if i want to make small business(very small i think) by using my name?such as shop, or webshop like that?

ok. i think thats all. I would need ur experience guidance for my arrangement. Thank you

marcus
31-12-10, 12:37
1) About the sosbud visa , any Indonesian can sponsor him . About ITAS (KITAS) visa , you 2 must marry together first , then you can sponsor him . If you don't want to marry , he can get a KITAS only if he finds a job , or if he starts a business , or if he is 55 or older
2) About the transport cost to Jakarta , in the reference above , Jonathan told that Jakarta immigration sent the KITAS authorization back to local and regional offices , so you can try to do all by express mail instead of going to Jakarta , or give a "surat kuasa" to somebody to do that , there is no need to pay an agent (the person needs to just leave envelopes there and later take them back)
3) About the notary , if you don't make a prenup/pisah harta , and buy a land/house after the marriage , by law the land/house is owned half by the husband and half by the wife , but foreigners can't own land/house by law . Read the references I posted before
4) The Indonesian tax law states that any foreigner living in Indonesia for more than 183 days in any 12 months period may have to pay Indonesian tax for his/her income in other countries too . So study the law (reference below) and talk to officers at Kantor Pajak . I already talked about this there and I had a feeling that if the foreigner does not work in Indonesia , Kantor Pajak is not much interested about the foreigner income outside Indonesia.
http://www.expat.or.id/info/2008-IncomeTaxSDSN.pdf
5) About you working , no problem . A foreigner with KITAS sponsored by Indonesian spouse cannot work .
Both/either of you can open a business .

Dr. Michael Beer
31-12-10, 14:46
First, of all HAPPY NEW YEAR to the expat community and to our very efficient and professional advisors.
That brings me to my questions I have, concerning ITAS extension (sponsored by Indonesian wife) and Multiple Exit ReEntry
1) Are the forms Perdim 25 (Formulir Izin Masuk Kembali dan Pemulangan)
Perdim 24 (Formulir izin Tinggal Terbatas dan Tetap and
Perdim 27 (Formulir Perubahan Data Organg Asing)
anywhere to be downloaded as pdf files? It is really boaring to write it every year...
2) On the Perdim 25 on the 2nd page under CATATAN PETUGAS LOKET there is a SURAT SPONSOR mentioned. Is this the same Sponsor Letter we used for the extension of the ITAS or some other letter? If so, do you have a sample?
3) On the same Formulir 25 is a COPY SURAT IZIN DAHSUSKIM mentioned. What is this?

I decided to do for the first time all the paper work myself, and not wasting a lot of money for agents, travelled 90km to the next Immigration Office here in Bali (Singaraja) and was just absolutely stunned when I saw 2 signs on the glass in front of the lokets: WE ARE HERE TO SERVE YOU! and WE DO NOT ACCEPT ANY DONNATIONS! And they really did not and worked fast (I received my ITAS within 3 weeks)
Thanks a lot again!!!!!!!!!!!!

marcus
02-01-11, 20:32
1) I don't know why there are Perdim : 22A , 24A , and 25A , at www.imigrasi.go.id (http://www.imigrasi.go.id) , but none of the others (these xxA are for Australian citizens) .
2) I am not sure but I would guess you can use the same sample of any sponsor letter , just changing the objective of it . If you forgot to keep a copy , see my reference below :
http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.org/showthread.php/1146-KITAS-sponsored-by-an-Indonesian-wife-of-a-foreign-husband.?p=72841#post72841 , post no.246
3) I don't know , but see below a set of the required documents :
PERMOHONAN IZIN MASUK KEMBALI
Persyaratan :
1. Untuk orang asing pemegang izin terbatas ( KITAS )
dan izin tinggal tetap ( KITAP ) yang berdomisili di
wilayah Kerja Kantor Imigrasi Pekanbaru.
2. Mengisi formulir pendaftaran ( Perdim 25 ).
a. Surat permohonan diri sponsor / perusahaan ( bagi
yang bekerja ).
b. Asli dan foto copy paspor yang sah dan masih
berlaku.
c. Asli dan foto copy dokumen Imigrasi (KITAS/KITAP, buku pendaftaran orang asing).
d. Membayar biaya imigrasi sesuai tarif.
Permohonan dan Perpanjangan Izin Tinggal Terbatas, Pendaftaran Orang
Asing dan Permohonan Izin Masuk Kembali, dapat dilaksanakan sekaligus
dalam 1 Berkas ( MAP )
KANTOR : KANTOR IMIGRASI KLAS I PEKANBARU
Alamat :
Jalan Teratai No. 87 Pekanbaru
Telepon +62 761 21536

Dr. Michael Beer
03-01-11, 15:29
Thanks a lot Markus. As I am hopeless in finding on the Imigrasi Website those formulir, could you please post a link. Thanks a lot and all the best.

marcus
03-01-11, 17:41
I forgot to tell that if you go directly to www.imigrasi.go.id , it is difficult to find anything there . Instead I used Google (set it to Indonesian) , search for "imigrasi Perdim" .
But as I told , they are specific to Australians ( students coming to work here) . I think those "Perdim"s are there only because they are recently issued and not distributed to local immigration offices yet .

Dr. Michael Beer
04-01-11, 10:22
Thanks a lot Markus again. Will just get some sets of the Perdims. What a shame for an official website!

Noorml
04-01-11, 11:48
Thanks alot again marcus
and i read at the www.expat.or.id (http://www.expat.or.id/) that

" The sponsor “buys” the needed forms (IDR 10K to IDR 25K) and fills out a written demand. A “Riwayat Hidup” of the foreigner, and a bank statement showing that the couple has enough funds to live for one full year in Indonesia should be attached"

What i want to ask that : how much amount required in the bank statement?
is there any"ketentuan" from goverment about the balance amount stated?
Thank you marcus

marcus
05-01-11, 11:00
1) Immigration offices at my city are not charging for the forms like they illegally did before . But now they ask us to buy the folder at their "authorized store" . A "curriculum vitae"/ "R. Hidup" and bank statement may be requested , but lately posters have said they didn't have to provide them . If required , bank account with more than Rp30 Juta should be ok for a one year KITAS , according Atlantis (see reference below , post no.4) .
http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.org/showthread.php/1146-KITAS-sponsored-by-an-Indonesian-wife-of-a-foreign-husband

foreign
06-01-11, 02:14
Hello to all,
I am new here, (found this interesting forum in the internet).
Would like to ask if I correctly understand the steps for marriage and residence in Indo without sponsor by company:
– social visa (about marriage)
– marriage in Indo
– 4 months waiting time
– apply for KITA (account bank, fee IDR 700.000, curriculum cv)
– 1 year KITA (no right to work)
– every 12 months pay tax (zero- because no work in Indo)
– after 5 years get Indo nationality or something like this .

Some questions I have also:
Can the foreigner after 5 years and with “Indo nationality” free work and take all jobs?
4 months waiting time: must the foreigner leave Indonesia after marriage or can apply in Indo for a KITA?
Is there the KITA every year new for all the future? (in case no nationality).
Must the foreigner leave Indonesia to apply for the next KITA or can apply in Indo?
1 year KITA– no work in Indo: Can the wife or the foreigner open a small business in Indo like all Indonesians (the shop on the corner, from textiles to reparation)?
With all the effort are the Indonesian women tolerant or want divorce after a while?

Would be nice if you can answer the questions.

marcus
06-01-11, 11:16
I believe you didn't read all the thread . The procedures/required documents may have small changes , depending on the officer you deal with , the city ,..
1) If you become an Indonesian , I think you can do everything any Indonesian can .
2) If you have a social visa , after marrying an Indonesian , you don't need to leave Indonesia to get the KITAS , and you don't need to wait 4 months ( although sometimes some immigration officers will tell you the contrary ) . See some examples below :
http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.org/showthread.php/1146-KITAS-sponsored-by-an-Indonesian-wife-of-a-foreign-husband.?p=72841#post72841
http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.org/showthread.php/11203-KITAS-Process-in-real-time...
3) Every year , up to 5 times , you can renew the KITAS without leaving Indonesia . Supposing you got one year KITAS for the first 2 years , during/after your third KITAS you have the option to get a KITAP (5 years visa) .
4) The restriction of this kind of KITAS is that the foreigner cannot work . You or your wife can open business .
5) Each person , anywhere in the world , has unique personality . Many Indonesian may have some common characteristics , but I don't think you can predict a divorce .
If it helps , a 2007's information (see below) says there were 200 thousands divorces per year in Indonesia . It should take in consideration that it is also relatively common the non official marriage in Indonesia named "nikah siri" and many couples just separate without a divorce .
http://www.nowpublic.com/life/divorce-rate-indonesia-highest-asia-pacific

foreign
07-01-11, 00:52
Thank you for your information.
I will try to find more infos about small business in the forum.

cellito
18-01-11, 10:03
Hello all

I have a question - ive had a KITAS through my job for the past 4 years, just got married to an Indonesian woman this past February..

My KITAS expires in one month and I want to renew but convert to a spouse sponsored or "family kitas"

Since I already had a KITAS for a few years, will this process be easier -- or is it like starting out from scratch?

Also any agents in Bali anyone recommends?

Thanks!

atlantis
18-01-11, 10:06
Hello all

I have a question - ive had a KITAS through my job for the past 4 years, just got married to an Indonesian woman this past February..

My KITAS expires in one month and I want to renew but convert to a spouse sponsored or "family kitas"

Since I already had a KITAS for a few years, will this process be easier -- or is it like starting out from scratch?

Also any agents in Bali anyone recommends?

Thanks!
Be aware that with a KITAS sponsored by your wife you won't be allowed to work in any way. Is that your goal?

cellito
18-01-11, 10:11
Thanks for the quick reply Atlantis..

We have a small business - a restaurant which is under her name ( it is a UD) and Im not planning to 'work' there.. Although it is our main source of income..

Basically im trying to avoid the USD $1200 fee for a business KITAS..

atlantis
18-01-11, 10:17
Thanks for the quick reply Atlantis..

We have a small business - a restaurant which is under her name ( it is a UD) and Im not planning to 'work' there.. Although it is our main source of income..

Basically im trying to avoid the USD $1200 fee for a business KITAS..
The Imigrasi may not like it and give you some hard time.
However you can try to apply for a "change of sponsor" procedure. Though it would highlight the connection which exists in between former and new sponsor (I assume that your wife is the owner of the business) it would avoid you to leave Indonesia. Alternatively you can follow the procedure explained at post #1 which would allow you not to be on the spotlight compared to the "change of sponsor". It would require that you make an EPO and start from the beginning.

cellito
18-01-11, 10:22
The Imigrasi may not like it and give you some hard time.
However you can try to apply for a "change of sponsor" procedure. Though it would highlight the connection which exists in between former and new sponsor (I assume that your wife is the owner of the business) it would avoid you to leave Indonesia. Alternatively you can follow the procedure explained at post #1 which would allow you not to be on the spotlight compared to the "change of sponsor". It would require that you make an EPO and start from the beginning.

Actually my prior KITAS was through a totally separate company.. but i see how imigrasi may want to give me a hard time..

Sorry for my ignorance but what is an EPO?

thanks

atlantis
18-01-11, 10:25
Actually my prior KITAS was through a totally separate company.. but i see how imigrasi may want to give me a hard time..

Sorry for my ignorance but what is an EPO?

thanks
Sorry for me using acronyms. Lazyness.
EPO means Exit Permit Only. This is the procedure to terminate your KITAS. It has to be requested by your actual sponsor and you will be asked to end your KITAS, Buku POA and passport for it to be stamped with a (usually) 15 days to leave stamp. No cost.

Dr. Michael Beer
22-01-11, 10:08
My experience for the extension KITAS sponsored by istri WNI was published the following link.
I really do encourage my expat friends not to give up. There are still honest civil servants around.
To feed agents (who sometimes do not serve well anyway) with millions is certainly not the way.
Another story was the SKLD in Denpasar. They were asking immediately 350K, but after my brave wife asked for kwitansi, it came immediately down to 100K.
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2011/01/07/letter-good-service-immigration-office.html

Dr. Michael Beer
22-01-11, 10:11
One more question for
Atlantis just read in The Jakarta Post that there will be a change in KITAS (supposed to be for 10years) and NO requirement for EcitReEntry Permit anymore. Do you know about this or is it just a rumour? Thanks a lot

atlantis
24-01-11, 13:46
One more question for
Atlantis just read in The Jakarta Post that there will be a change in KITAS (supposed to be for 10years) and NO requirement for EcitReEntry Permit anymore. Do you know about this or is it just a rumour? Thanks a lot
A rumour. Most of the proposal concerning the immigration law to be voted in the coming year won't unfortunately be included. And this for several reasons, one of which would be that it would force the DPR to work on multiple laws to accomodate the changes. In between working and being lazy, DPR have always been very clear on where go their preferences.

beebop
24-01-11, 22:34
I want to know if its true that one can not extend a wife sponsored kitas more than 5 times? Im lead to beleive that on the 5th year, one has to leave indonesia. Why is this? And do we have to start the whole procedure again? Its kinda stressing me out because when i first applied, we had to show a huge sum of money in my wifes bank account which we cant do again should i have to leave. My intension is to become a citizen. it would make sense if it was for a company sponsored kitas, but a wife sponsored kitas??

marcus
25-01-11, 11:43
Why you don't apply for a 5 years KITAP ?

beebop
25-01-11, 15:39
Why you don't apply for a 5 years KITAP ?

I plan to do exactly that. My 2nd extension (start of 3rd kitas) is comming up in a few months. immediately after that i intend to convert it to a kitap. do i have to exit indo for the conversion? Well that will make it the 4th extension. my 5th and 'final' extension will be a kitap again. What happens after that? Will i have to leave indo? Well i intend to become a citizen within my kitap period, but i just want to know if i fully understand this thing??
I just got a new passport too. Hope they dont have some bull procedure about that.

marcus
25-01-11, 18:40
... do i have to exit indo for the conversion? Well that will make it the 4th extension. my 5th and 'final' extension will be a kitap again. What happens after that?...
When the regulation states the procedure as a "conversion" , I understand doing it without leaving Indonesia , like the conversion of sosbud to KITAS .

And that 5 extensions limit , is for the KITAS . As far as we get the KITAP , I believe we need to know if the KITAP has extension limit also .

atlantis
25-01-11, 18:55
I want to know if its true that one can not extend a wife sponsored kitas more than 5 times? Im lead to beleive that on the 5th year, one has to leave indonesia. Why is this? And do we have to start the whole procedure again? Its kinda stressing me out because when i first applied, we had to show a huge sum of money in my wifes bank account which we cant do again should i have to leave. My intension is to become a citizen. it would make sense if it was for a company sponsored kitas, but a wife sponsored kitas??
Take it easy Beebop. A KITAS allows 5 extensions, like a Sosbud. After 5 extensions you go back to your starting point with a new KITAS. Some people have stayed puluhan tahun on KITASes. Alternatively you can seek a KITAP... which is extendable also 5 times, as a KITAS an a sosbud.

I will write very certainly a post concerning the conversion of a KITAS to a KITAP anytime soon... at least this year. One thing is for sure, I believe that the immigration will ask to see a serious amount on a bank account before delivering a KITAP to a foreign husband. I've heard that they are talking about it at the moment. Dunno yet if it is only rumors or if they intend to implement it.

beebop
25-01-11, 21:08
like a Sosbud. After 5 extensions you go back to your starting point with a new KITAS

And does it involve leaving the country? As far as i know you have to exit when the sosbud extensions are up.


One thing is for sure, I believe that the immigration will ask to see a serious amount on a bank account before delivering a KITAP to a foreign husband. I've heard that they are talking about it at the moment. Dunno yet if it is only rumors or if they intend to implement it.

Not good for me. Hell thats not good for anyone. So lets say its not implimented yet and im one of the lucky few who beat the implimentation deadline, is there any looking into bank accounts during the process? The last kitas extension i had there was no checking of bank accounts, and i want it to stay that way.

Is there anyone else in this forum who has recently converted a wife sponsored kitas into a wife sponsored kitap? Care to share the details with me?

atlantis
26-01-11, 14:29
And does it involve leaving the country? As far as i know you have to exit when the sosbud extensions are up.
Same here. But I don't get what your fear is. A trip to Singapura is enough.


Not good for me. Hell thats not good for anyone. So lets say its not implimented yet and im one of the lucky few who beat the implimentation deadline, is there any looking into bank accounts during the process? The last kitas extension i had there was no checking of bank accounts, and i want it to stay that way.

Is there anyone else in this forum who has recently converted a wife sponsored kitas into a wife sponsored kitap? Care to share the details with me?
Don't expect the DitJenIm to issue a SK for a KITAP without either big money or a file that can't be argued about. A KITAP is usually "sold" by Imigrasi in between IDR 20 to IDR 50 millions. They won't let it go for the official IDR 3.000.000 unless you can beat them on every loopholes of the law.

I have helped a few friends to convert a KITAS in a KITAP and all were asked to submit proof of funds.

beebop
26-01-11, 17:51
Same here. But I don't get what your fear is. A trip to Singapura is enough.

The last trip to singapore we were told to show a minimum of 100jt. I later read that requirement has increased to 500jt and this is for kitas only. If its kitap then how much? It seems nobody knows. Does one have to exit indonesia to convert a kitas to kitap? Well my fears are in getting denied a kitas / kitap because of the need to show insane amounts of money in the bank. If someone can atleast give me a ballpark figure on how much is needed, then i can make a plan. I am trying to start a family and build a home and want to know if i can actually do these things or not. Other than that i beleive i have everything thats needed. Im just not in the mood for putting my life on hold because there is a cloud of haze on the requirements.

marcus
26-01-11, 18:35
Beebop , you and davobali had to show bank account statement for VITAS .
But , I , cup1981 , and jonathan wilshere (see http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.org/showthread.php/11203-KITAS-Process-in-real-time...) , who got KITAS from sosbud convertion , did not have to show any bank statement .
Isn't strange ?

atlantis
26-01-11, 19:00
Beebop , you and davobali had to show bank account statement for VITAS .
But , I , cup1981 , and jonathan wilshere (see http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.org/showthread.php/11203-KITAS-Process-in-real-time...) , who got KITAS from sosbud convertion , did not have to show any bank statement .
Isn't strange ?
It is mainly depending on who will screen your file, where you apply and how tricky or suspicious is the guy in charge. It is part of their job to verify that an applicant has enough fund to remain in Indonesia for the length of his/her visa. It is legitimate. Some won't bother others will. We are definitively moving toward a period with more control of the foreign population and of sponsors. The successive draft of the immigration law discussed were/are all going in this trend. There will have a penal responsability for sponsors in cases where foreigners abuse their visa. Financial responsability of the sponsor will be also sought in case of financial failure of the foreigner.
However, no "amount" is stated by law. In your case for example Marcus, the fact that you may recieve a pension from abroad should be enough. In the case of Beebop, or in my case, it would be different.

atlantis
26-01-11, 19:13
The last trip to singapore we were told to show a minimum of 100jt. I later read that requirement has increased to 500jt and this is for kitas only.
The common figure I've heard from acquaintances I have in the immigration were:
IDR 100.000.000 on a bank account or a proof of a monthly income would be considered more than enough for a KITAS applicant.
IDR 500.000.000 on a bank account or a proof of a monthly income would be considered more than enough for a KITAP applicant.
However, bear in mind that these figures are indicative. Appealing a decision of refusal is an alternative which is known to work.

Does one have to exit indonesia to convert a kitas to kitap?
No.

Well my fears are in getting denied a kitas / kitap because of the need to show insane amounts of money in the bank. If someone can atleast give me a ballpark figure on how much is needed, then i can make a plan. I am trying to start a family and build a home and want to know if i can actually do these things or not. Other than that i beleive i have everything thats needed. Im just not in the mood for putting my life on hold because there is a cloud of haze on the requirements.
Don't fear things before it even happen. If you can't get a KITAP, remain on a KITAS Then, as it seems to be part of your ambitions, become Indonesian. Period.

To be honest, I won't even bother about it. I consider converting my KITAS. I won't show any personal bank statement but just a surat keterangan from my banks stating that I have a minimum income of X juta per month due to interests earnt. My wife has a registered company. If necessary she will confirm that I am a proud ayah rumah tangga and that she is the breadwinner. Now if anyone in Imigrasi want to bother me, we'll have fun. I doubt however that they bother me. After spending some time in a place, your KanIm will know you.

beebop
26-01-11, 23:59
If you can't get a KITAP, remain on a KITAP. Then, as it seems to be part of your ambitions, become Indonesian. Period.

I guess you mean to say if i cant get a KITAP i should remain on a KITAS and then become a citizen.
Hmmm.. Is it possible to become a citizen before having to restart the kitas cycle? Renew 5 times means 6 years rite? And its possible to become a citizen once living in indonesia for 5 uninterupted years. I suppose becomming a citizen gonna require fat bank accounts too anyway.

travellingchez
27-01-11, 00:55
Can you become a citizen after having a KITAS sponsored by work after 5 years instead of being sponsored by your spouse on a KITAS?
Just asking as there is no way I'll ever be able to afford to just sit around for 5 years on a spouse sponsored KITAS.

beebop
27-01-11, 06:25
Can you become a citizen after having a KITAS sponsored by work after 5 years instead of being sponsored by your spouse on a KITAS?
Just asking as there is no way I'll ever be able to afford to just sit around for 5 years on a spouse sponsored KITAS.

No you cant become a citizen via working visa. Exactly what you say is true about not being able to afford to just sit around for 5 years. I want to build a house and start a family but seems i have to put that on hold because of having to satisfy immigration by showing money in the bank. I want to expand my wifes businesses too but cant again because of the same reason. It really is difficult. I dont recommend anyone comes to indo on a wife sponsored kitas unless they truelly know what they getting into and are minded enough to survive. In my case, love is blind and i come from a country that i dont want to return to. Ends up in a situation made awkward only by immigration.

atlantis
27-01-11, 07:25
I guess you mean to say if i cant get a KITAP i should remain on a KITAS and then become a citizen.
Correct. I've edited my post #352 accordingly.



Hmmm.. Is it possible to become a citizen before having to restart the kitas cycle? Renew 5 times means 6 years rite? And its possible to become a citizen once living in indonesia for 5 uninterupted years.
In theory, yes. The naturalization process should take less than 6 months if all the papers submitted by the applicant are complete and in order. At each step, the parties involved (ie kanim, kanwil, depkumham) have a deadline to provide an answer. The naturalization process of my son took less than 4 months from beginning to end in 2007.

Beebop, I'd like to give you what is possibly the best advise I could give you: don't stress, don't panic, don't show emotions, don't rush when dealing with any administration in Indonesia. Document yourself and stay tuned about any change. When you start a procedure, never show that you are desesperate about it and never show that you have a deadline to obtain it. Stay on the ball and always apply softly pressure. When you have a problem, don't shout, just talk. If it ain't enough, write.

With this simple method above I went through countless procedures involving Imigrasi, Polisi, Kantor Pajak, KanWil, BPN, Depnaker, CaPil, kantor Tata, Jasa Raharja...etc without much troubles.



I suppose becomming a citizen gonna require fat bank accounts too anyway.
No. Not anymore, at least for those who are married to an indonesian citizen. It requires a proof of income. If your wife (or any friend) has created a business, ask her/him to draft a working contract stipulating that you will be hired as soon as you become a citizen.

atlantis
27-01-11, 08:03
Can you become a citizen after having a KITAS sponsored by work after 5 years instead of being sponsored by your spouse on a KITAS?
People working must, in this particular case, first obtain a KITAP. People who work and have no marital relation with a WNI must follow the naturalization process as it is described in PP 2/2007. People who are married with a WNI follow a different procedure. In your case, travellingchez, the difficulty may be to explain it to the PNS you will face. Most have very poor knowledge of law and are unaware of the various texts corresponding to various situation. The citizenship act is still "new (only 5 years) and most PNS lack of knowledge. A user of this forum has contacted me for a similar case. He is working for 10+ years, but his jabatan/function doesn't allow him to get a KITAP. However he is married with a WNI. From what he told me, Imigrasi keep refusing his citizenship application arguing that he doesn't have a KITAP and that he should first get it (at a cost of puluhan juta in order to close the eyes on the jabatan problem). It is, in my opinion, a misinterpretation of the law. People who are married have a right to obtain citizenship as per article 19 of the UU 12/2006. If one reads carefully the citizenship act, one will find out that those married with a WNI will have to follow a different procedure. This special procedure corresponding to those married with a WNI has been defined with the PerMen M.02-HL.05.06/2006 which doesn't require an applicant to have a KITAP (5 uninterrupted years + akta perkawinan/buku nikah being the main requirements).
The case of the user who has contacted me is indeed very interesting and I am eager to "work" on it, if he decides to push it forward, by explaining him why they are wrong in their interpretation of the law and to explain him how to deal with legal problem.
As I said, the citizenship act is still too new and many low ranking PNS are absolutely unaware of its many stipulations. The pejabat at the top are too busy milking money to bother to educate their subordinates. Do the job for them: educate yourself in order to be able to fill the gap and have your rights respected.
Things however are improving. I remenber the time, not long ago, when organizing yourself a KITAS was seen as merely impossible by many. Nowadays, though not yet fluid, it is way, way easier. I predict that KITAPs and citizenship application, in less than 5 years, will be as easy to get than a KITAS now. The effort of all in limitating the agent phenomena will help to clarify and ease the procedures. The systematic use of middlemen contributes to develop and maintain corruption. That is one of the reasons why I have never used any and participate in this forum. That's a chance for me to share the knowledge I've acquired.

Well, I hope the above is clear enough, but if it isn't, feel free to add more questions.

atlantis
27-01-11, 08:12
No you cant become a citizen via working visa.
That is wrong. Those who are KITAP holder have a chance to apply if they wish. Being a permanent resident and having actively participated in the national development allows a possible naturalization by presidential decision.
A word of wisdom: if you are in this case, the first step of the application starts at your bank... :whistle:. The recognition of your participation to the national development in a significant manner has a price tag.

Shinta
27-01-11, 09:10
My experience for the extension KITAS sponsored by istri WNI was published the following link.
I really do encourage my expat friends not to give up. There are still honest civil servants around.
To feed agents (who sometimes do not serve well anyway) with millions is certainly not the way.
Another story was the SKLD in Denpasar. They were asking immediately 350K, but after my brave wife asked for kwitansi, it came immediately down to 100K.
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2011/01/07/letter-good-service-immigration-office.html

I am just curious, and after you pay 100.000 Rp you get the akwtansi or not? you have to pay really?

travellingchez
27-01-11, 09:45
Thanks for that Atlantis. At least I know that it is a possible (although difficult) option for the future if I choose to become WNI. I'd be interested to hear the outcome of the guy PMing you. If one can do it then hopefully others can follow suit with more ease.

atlantis
27-01-11, 10:15
Thanks for that Atlantis. At least I know that it is a possible (although difficult) option for the future if I choose to become WNI. I'd be interested to hear the outcome of the guy PMing you. If one can do it then hopefully others can follow suit with more ease.
I will sure write about it on the forum if he decides to go ahead. As I said it is a prettyy interesting case, with the main difficulty being to avoid to have any of the pejabat loosing face in the process. He will have to explain them the sense of the law without them realising that something is wrong in the fact that a foreigner understands and knows better than them laws written in their language. Not an easy task, but a fun one for sure.

marcus
27-01-11, 10:40
by Dr. Michael Beer:...They were asking immediately 350K, but after my brave wife asked for kwitansi, it came immediately down to 100K.]

I am just curious, and after you pay 100.000 Rp you get the akwtansi or not? you have to pay really?
In my case with the officer at the Catatan Sipil : he asked for 250k , I asked for the receipt , then he changed to 150k , we went to the cashier counter and he gave me a real receipt but signed by him . When I asked for a receipt signed by the officer at the cashier counter , he just gave me the document for free .

beebop
27-01-11, 15:51
The case of the user who has contacted me is indeed very interesting and I am eager to "work" on it, if he decides to push it forward, by explaining him why they are wrong in their interpretation of the law and to explain him how to deal with legal problem.

If i want to become a citizen during my 6th year (after 5th and final kitas by wife extension), is that unusal to warrent a little help from you? Or has it been done enough for immigration to know what to do themselves?


The naturalization process should take less than 6 months if all the papers submitted by the applicant are complete and in order. At each step, the parties involved (ie kanim, kanwil, depkumham) have a deadline to provide an answer.

I think im gonna go for this one. Gonna need some assistance though. Ha! I really need to start brushing up my bahasa indo.


Originally Posted by beebop: 'I suppose becomming a citizen gonna require fat bank accounts too anyway.'
No. Not anymore, at least for those who are married to an indonesian citizen. It requires a proof of income. If your wife (or any friend) has created a business, ask her/him to draft a working contract stipulating that you will be hired as soon as you become a citizen.

Now there is good advice!

However it may be harder than im hoping it to be. Check the link from the jakarta post this morning.

www.thejakartaglobe.com/home/expatriates-be-warned-irate-justice-minister-is-on-the-warpath/419284

atlantis
27-01-11, 16:14
If i want to become a citizen during my 6th year (after 5th and final kitas by wife extension), is that unusal to warrent a little help from you?
To be honest, Beebop, I am sure that by then I won't be available on this forum for some time already. :lol:



However it may be harder than im hoping it to be. Check the link from the jakarta post this morning.

www.thejakartaglobe.com/home/expatriates-be-warned-irate-justice-minister-is-on-the-warpath/419284
It is in line with what I was saying in a few posts in the past months. The trend is toward more control concerning the foreign population.
This particular articlle is being discussed here (http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.org/showthread.php/13138-That-s-right-blame-the-nasty-expats-for-the-corruption-in-this-country) also in the forum.

blu3angel
29-01-11, 08:41
Hey guys..
I've been reading the forum about KITAS and getting more and more confused. Actually in my case, my husband's KITAS now is on his employment. However now he wants to change it (alih status) on to my (the wife) sponsorship. According to a few posts in this forum, I need to have certain amount of money stored in bank to apply for that Kitas; starting from 2,5mil income per mth. Is that true? Since I asked to Dirjen Imigrasi the other day and they didn't require any kind of bank statement or letter to proof my financial capacity. I actually just registered a company under my name but since it's new, it hasn't had any profit or any other financial activity. Another thing, is it really okay to just apply on my own without going through agent for kitas extension, keeping in mind that immigration would just "juice" more money or time from me along the process? Please advice asap.
Thanks

marcus
29-01-11, 11:59
1) Some immigration officers ask for bank account statements and others don't . You can see , below , my case and others who got the KITAS without showing any bank account .
2) In many cases you may face officers asking for some extra money , but reading all the successful examples and all the related government regulations , you really don't need to pay anything extra , except for the folder(s) . At the immigration , always pay at the cashier counter and get , normally , a detailed computer printed receipt (name , type of service , value , ..).

http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.org/showthread.php/1146-KITAS-sponsored-by-an-Indonesian-wife-of-a-foreign-husband.?p=72841#post72841 , posts 246 , 247
http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.org/showthread.php/11203-KITAS-Process-in-real-time...

blu3angel
03-02-11, 18:14
If my husband's KITAS (working based) expires and he wants to convert it to my sponsorship, does he really need to go out of the country first then come back on a Sosbud then the rest of the process? Or maybe there's any other way to do it?

Thanks

nickie
03-02-11, 18:47
If my husband's KITAS (working based) expires and he wants to convert it to my sponsorship, does he really need to go out of the country first then come back on a Sosbud then the rest of the process? Or maybe there's any other way to do it?

Thanks

No he does not need to leave the country. Please read these threads below

http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.org/showthread.php/1351-Change-the-KITAS-sponsor-from-company-to-wife
http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.org/showthread.php/6074-Changing-KITAS-sponsor-without-leaving-the-country

marcus
03-02-11, 19:04
One detail , don't wait it expires . You need to request the new KITAS at least one month before the old KITAS expires .

nickie
03-02-11, 19:07
One detail , don't wait it expires . You need to request the new KITAS at least one month before the old KITAS expires .

Marcus, your inbox is full :)

TheGodFather
27-02-11, 12:33
Hi Atlantis,
Thank you very much for the dazzling information you have provided. I have been in Indonesia for 1 year now and was working as a Business Developer and finally opened my own business under my wife’s name. So now we went to the immigration to convert my Kitas and being sponsored by my wife who is Indonesian. Over there they have been making fun of her by saying “What is your husband going to do, look after kids at home, doing nothing……bla bla bla”. Well we did not mention about the company settled. And we do not want them to know as well.
They kept my documents for 3 weeks and then the guy said it would be better to get an exit permit, exit the country and re enter again, thus just to reduce the complication and I know they are looking for bribes which I am not willing to give as the first time I made my kitas it cost me a lot, I have decided to go out the country and re enter again. So I am going to Malaysia and re enter as a social budaya, any clues or help you can offer me in this particular case would be very grateful. Will the embassy in KL ask for a return ticket to my original country for this type of visa and do you know what they requires for the sosbud(bank statement, anything else)
Mate if you know anything that would help me, that would be wonderful.
Thx mate…

Sky Garden
27-02-11, 12:43
Hi Atlantis,
Thank you very much for the dazzling information you have provided. I have been in Indonesia for 1 year now and was working as a Business Developer and finally opened my own business under my wife’s name. So now we went to the immigration to convert my Kitas and being sponsored by my wife who is Indonesian. Over there they have been making fun of her by saying “What is your husband going to do, look after kids at home, doing nothing……bla bla bla”. Well we did not mention about the company settled. And we do not want them to know as well.
They kept my documents for 3 weeks and then the guy said it would be better to get an exit permit, exit the country and re enter again, thus just to reduce the complication and I know they are looking for bribes which I am not willing to give as the first time I made my kitas it cost me a lot, I have decided to go out the country and re enter again. So I am going to Malaysia and re enter as a social budaya, any clues or help you can offer me in this particular case would be very grateful. Will the embassy in KL ask for a return ticket to my original country for this type of visa and do you know what they requires for the sosbud(bank statement, anything else)
Mate if you know anything that would help me, that would be wonderful.
Thx mate…

Hi Godfather, there are many threads relating to SosBud's on the forum, type sosbud in the search box at the top right hand side of this page. Here is one relating to KL http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.org/showthread.php/1314-Indonesian-Visas-at-Kuala-Lumpur?highlight=sosbud

TheGodFather
27-02-11, 13:11
Thx Sky Garden

all4ywh
27-02-11, 20:33
[QUOTE=TheGodFather;143238]Hi Atlantis,
Thank you very much for the dazzling information you have provided. I have been in Indonesia for 1 year now and was working as a Business Developer and finally opened my own business under my wife’s name. So now we went to the immigration to convert my Kitas and being sponsored by my wife who is Indonesian. Over there they have been making fun of her by saying “What is your husband going to do, look after kids at home, doing nothing……bla bla bla”. Well we did not mention about the company settled. And we do not want them to know as well.QUOTE]

Clarificatin on your inquiry: Were you previously sponsored by a company and received a KITAS with a working permit, and now you are seeking to convert to a spouse sponsored KITAS?

Have you considered to have the business opened under your wife's name sponsor you for a KITAS & working permit? If yes, please share any experiences with that process at this thread:

http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.org/showthread.php/13268-CV-versus-PT-plus-Visas-etc.

marcus
28-02-11, 10:50
...Will the embassy in KL ask for a return ticket to my original country for this type of visa and do you know what they requires for the sosbud(bank statement, anything else)...
In addition to the above reference provided by Sky Garden ,
A return ticket or a ticket for going out of Indonesia may be required (at the Embassy or at the Indonesian airport) . See comments about :
http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.org/showthread.php/7851-Entering-Indonesia-on-a-one-way-ticket/page2
http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.org/showthread.php/12650-Question ,ticket
http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.org/showthread.php/12638-Visas-one-way-flights , outward ticket

A bank statement is not required , but I always carried one with me as I didn't had the above referred ticket .
As recommended before by Atlantis , it is good to carry copies of any document that can be used in your favor , like : marriage document , wife's Kartu Keluarga , Indonesian bank statement , house rent contract ,...

atlantis
28-02-11, 13:31
As recommended before by Atlantis , it is good to carry copies of any document that can be used in your favor , like : marriage document , wife's Kartu Keluarga , Indonesian bank statement , house rent contract ,...
Especially since the recent declarations from Patrialis Akbar (http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.org/showthread.php/13138-That-s-right-blame-the-nasty-expats-for-the-corruption-in-this-country?). The Kasi Statuskim in Manado almost caught me by surprise not long ago. Maybe in an attempt to ask for money (the guy has freshly been nominated and we haven't met yet) he has asked me... the copy of my marriage registration to the french embassy. I married in Manado and, as per french law I had to register my marriage to the french embassy in order to have a french family book issued. This document has absolutely no legal value in Indonesia and is obviously not mandatory for a KITAS extension but the guy asked it to join to my file. I happened to have it with me (I always make a special folder when I go to imigrasi where I put it, along with bank statements, NPWP or any document that could be of a remote interest to a bored Imigrasi officer trying his luck). I don't want to argue in such cases, nor I want to waste any time. I just flash the document and do a return trip to the nearest canon copy machine. Funnily enough, when I went later to the kanwil to get the surat persetujuan, the Kepala divisi keimigrasian asked to talk to me. We know each other. He was puzzled by the document and ask me: "Pak Oliver, you know the law and the procedure, so why did you join this document to your files? What is it!?" I had to explain him that though I knew it wasn't necessary, it was requested for unknown and unexplained reasons... Dunno if he later had a chat with the kasi but when I later meet with the kasi for the final steps of my extension he was trying his best to avoid talking with me.

davobali
28-02-11, 16:20
http://cdn.livinginindonesiaforum.org/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by marcus http://cdn.livinginindonesiaforum.org/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.org/showthread.php/showthread.php?p=143528#post143528)
As recommended before by Atlantis , it is good to carry copies of any document that can be used in your favor , like : marriage document , wife's Kartu Keluarga , Indonesian bank statement , house rent contract ,...

I too like to have extra copies of documents available just in case . For example ; after having immigrassi handing back the photocopy of my buku nikkah and saying it wasnt required for the last 3 visa renewals , the 4th renewal they insisted on it (as I had left it out this time ) ...., but no problem, I had the photcopy , and the original buku nikkah with me to back it up . There was an odd moment of silence when I produced it .
Also in another post I wrote about the wife being interogated at the counter for ages being asked all sorts of silly questions , and agents being refused service during the same day due to a crackdown . 5 days later when I went to pay for the visa it was business as usual lol .

Davita
28-02-11, 21:40
Totally agree with the last 3 posts.
No matter the law or procedure, Indonesian bureaucrats offer differing rules and regulations.
I find it best to have 3-4 times the minimum requirements in terms of paperwork...are you listening Bill Gates???
Perhaps those B's have relatives in the paper and pulp industry, or the data paper archive storage business.

TheGodFather
03-03-11, 08:03
I was working with a Working Kitas sponsored by the company, now the immigration is messing about and even trying there luck of juicing out anything from me, by saying there are some illegal documents we might probably deport you bla bla bla.... Gosh I am tired of these things.